Author Topic: VFM workstation  (Read 6869 times)

2019-01-04, 17:39:22

lef

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Hello guys !
I want to buy a new workstation for my archviz (3ds max + corona) without busting the bank !!!
The 2990wx is always a good option but as I can see , windows 10 and windows server can't handle right the performance of this amazing cpu !
I already have the 1950x and I am very happy with it... but I want something more (greed! :) )
Something like 6500-8000 cinebench points would be nice !

Unfortunately, at the moment I can't pay 4-5k for a dual xeon workstation (eg. xeon 2996v4 , 128+g ram ecc), so I made some silly thoughts and I want your opinions !

The obsolete HP Z600 workstation with dual X5650 (12c -24t in total) and 24g ram costs around 320 euros at the moment in eBay and score 1350 cinebench points!
What if I buy 6 of those ? with almost 2000 euros  I can get 8100 points ! And it gets even better because I can buy these workstations without paying the VAT (European Union),
and the total cost would be around 1600 euros !

BUT,

is this true?
to be honest I never used distributed rendering before with vray or corona, I have zero experience ... (I don't really care about vray because I use exclusively corona at the office).
Corona could handle nicely this 6 workstations network ? I would like to get the 100% of the power if possible !

thanks in advance !

Lef



2019-01-04, 17:51:54
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There is overhead introduced by the network, and the more machines you add, the more that overhead will be (depending on your network - there are threads discussing setting up fast routers and things).

Even with your network performing top notch and traffic not clogging it up, there's still some overhead in sending the scene and assets to the nodes, so it will never be 100% of the power (of course, that initial move of data will be less and less of an issue the longer a render runs, since it's just a one time thing). I don't have cold, hard, numbers, but maybe expecting 90 to 95% of the performance is reasonable - it will be close to 100%, but not exactly there :)

Also remember that nodes only contribute in final renders, not in Interactive Rendering (which is where the "one machine with the same Cinebench score as the multiple machines" will be a better choice).

And also, be sure you have a FairSaaS license that supports that number of nodes. The default is just 3 render nodes (but you can upgrade to more).

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2019-01-04, 18:08:06
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Thank you TomG for the reply !
90-95% sounds good to me (for 1.6K!)

''Also remember that nodes only contribute in final renders, not in Interactive Rendering'',
I was expecting that ... I can do all the dirty work in my 1950x and render the final hires images in the ''HP Z600'' network!

2019-01-04, 18:43:40
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This is pretty much what I've done, on a smaller scale - bought older, refurbished dual Xeons, to get a little network of three of them, that worked out to be quite cost efficient compared to the latest and greatest :) Sounds like your expectations and understanding are realistic, which is the main thing.
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2019-01-04, 19:06:16
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hm.. you are right !
 Intel gives a TDP of 95watt for X5650 but I guess this can change dramatically under full load ... x12 cpus :/

2019-01-04, 20:04:24
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Interesting :) I personally prefer to have faster IR rendering than overall speed. Just make sure you've thought about it because having like 5-10 nodes will result in higher electrical bills, more storage requirements, heat and just more stuff to mess around with.

Also, 2990WX seems to be getting some fixes for those odd single threaded applications that cause it problems. It isn't official though.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2019/01/03/amd_ryzen_threadripper_2990wx_performance_regressions_linked_to_windows_bug
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2019-01-04, 20:56:13
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Nkilar, hi and thanks !
I saw this video  in YouTube the other day !
I am not a tech guru but I don't understand why
Microsoft can't fix such an issue ... obviously 2990wx is not the most commercial cpu. Some people said that intel is behind all this , I don't know... I don't care .

You are right about the nodes . I think I will build another 1950x pc ...

2019-01-05, 18:53:09
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I would suggest you to wait 2-3 more months since Ryzen 3000 series is just around the corner. From what I hear the R9 3700x will have same if not better performance then 1950x and cost half thr price. So if you are not in a hurry you can wait :).

2019-01-06, 11:50:44
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Hi Vuk and thanks for the reply !
Yes , I already heard the rumors about the 3700x
but it seems unreal if you consider that the 1950x
costs around 520 euros at the moment . A newer a better version of a 16c cpu with ,let's say , 300 euros? I wish!  but all the other ryzen cpus will be dead ...!

2019-01-06, 13:27:56
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Unreal or not there will be some official info already from tomorrow on CES 2019:).

2019-01-09, 11:28:32
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Any official info about 3rd gen ryzen yet? I'm looking for a new budget pc sometime in 2019 and it's very likely that for the first time it won't be Intel's product.
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2019-01-09, 17:00:19
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Any official info about 3rd gen ryzen yet? I'm looking for a new budget pc sometime in 2019 and it's very likely that for the first time it won't be Intel's product.

In an hour or so ;)

https://videocardz.com/79677/watch-amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su-ces-2019-keynote-here
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2019-01-14, 11:39:00
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Am i reading this right - all those rumours about 12-16 core Ryzen 3, were slightly too optimistic?
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2019-01-14, 11:55:19
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I would say "premature". I'm pretty sure they will come - the only question is when?

Lisa Su already pointed out, that we can expect them to put something into the extra space on the cpu, and somewhere AMD also said, that it won't be a GPU.

2019-01-14, 12:34:38
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Good thing that i'm not in a hurry, i won't be buying any new parts untill at least Q3-Q4.
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