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2017-07-16, 00:16:44

Njen

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Hey devs, do you have any thoughts on MaterialX, and would you consider a Corona implementation?

2017-07-17, 17:32:59
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well, it just came out ;) - so no opinion yet. We will watch it and see what happens.
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2017-07-17, 17:55:19
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Is this a straight alternative to Substance? If so that's interesting. Competition is good, but when trying to establish a standard, it's important that the community agrees upon that standard relatively quickly, otherwise we just end up back at the start again.
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2017-07-17, 18:08:00
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definitely not, substance is a way to generate data, this is a way to transmit data. If there is reasonable way to write shaders in it, we will be interested as it could solve a lot of our problems (standalone rendering, cinema4D vs. 3dsmax interop, ...)
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2017-07-17, 18:11:14
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definitely not, substance is a way to generate data, this is a way to transmit data. If there is reasonable way to write shaders in it, we will be interested as it could solve a lot of our problems (standalone rendering, cinema4D vs. 3dsmax interop, ...)

Cool. Sounds good...
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2024-10-04, 21:26:39
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Well some years has passed and still no MaterialX implementation?

2024-10-07, 16:12:28
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Correct, nothing on the plan at the moment. For now Material X remains more for the movie / VFX industry than for archviz. We'll keep watching on how things develop there, of course. Thanks!
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2024-10-07, 18:06:00
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Correct, nothing on the plan at the moment. For now Material X remains more for the movie / VFX industry than for archviz. We'll keep watching on how things develop there, of course. Thanks!
A nice side effect would be that it would mean easier material exchange between apps and renderers, same for USD. I have no idea where it stands technically right now but since it's based around physically plausible materials it fits the architectural market quite nicely, too (and Corona's own ideology).

Out of interest, what's the distinction between Archviz and VFX in your view? Would love to know how Corona developers/support look at it because from a user standpoint there really isn't one, even if I think really hard. The only thing I could think of that makes sense (and probably specifically for this thread) would be to manage user expectations :D

2024-10-07, 22:45:37
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Mostly the difference comes from pipelines, and the need to be able to change and adjust many many things in post (that is, VFX is dependent on pipelines, passing things from one team to another who may all use different software, and who are blending this character with that explosion with this spaceship model and this real footage of a park and this real actor filmed in the studio against this rendered backdrop of a city - archviz does not in most cases have separate teams using separate software, nor the need to mix-and-match so many elements together).

If MatX or USD or OpenPBR become useful as interchange between, say, Corona in Max and C4D, or V-Ray in Maya to Corona in Max, we may look into it :) As of today though, there would be a small benefit for a small number of users, so it's not in the plans.
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2024-10-24, 13:38:11
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Short term, the benifit is definitely a small number of users and it's a lot of unneccesary work.

But if one zooms out and imagines a longer perspective there is a risk of standing outside an arena where everyone else is playing nice with eachother. Look at how Autodesk has prioritized USD in Max over pretty much everything else. If Max doesn't support USD, it will risk being thrown out of most pipelines in the future. And in the short term that only applies to VFX, and maybe users won't flee Corona over the fact. But once USD, MaterialX, OpenPBR, glTF are the ligua franca of the entire CG community tools that don't support that are going to be an odd choice.

For arch-viz there's a billion of Corona assets on CGtrader, 3dsky, CGMood etc. But if I was selling assets now, I'd rather just publish them in some common format that everyone can read. I think that's where we are going to end up. Assets in USD, glTF or Blender files. Unless there's a reason for it to be render specific, like it's a Chaos Scatter of a meadow or something.

I hope the corona team is just playing it a bit cool, and once OpenPBR is a standard that sticks they'll be all over it. Because who knows, standards have failed before and maybe it's just a big fiasco. But if not I expect it to be supported just like in every other application and renderer.

2024-10-24, 13:59:21
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Oh yes, we are definitely watching adoption, and if and when it looks set to become relevant or important, we'll aim to be ahead of the game and not playing catch up :)
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2024-10-30, 20:22:37
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Alex Abarca

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Corona Team and ChaosGroup,

Have you thought about making one material for all Chaos Ecosystem in all platforms? And then make a bridge to UE.

And also make it MaterialX fully compatible.

2024-12-16, 00:09:33
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How 3dsMax has a standard OpenPBR material. I hope to see Corona support soon. You don't need to make actual material and UI. It ia all there.