Author Topic: Reflection from mirror causes noise  (Read 13516 times)

2013-09-16, 01:57:06

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I can't figure this one out. The only place i have noise is the part reflects the mirror. Is there any known reason for this?

2013-09-16, 02:46:01
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Well actually some other parts are kinda noisy, too. I guess the scene is entirely noisy but we can only see it on the dark reflective surfaces. Anyway this image is after 250 passes so it should've been clear by now, right? What could be the reason?

2013-09-16, 12:06:37
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Its not about mirror, its about dark corner. U have to set Path Tracing Samples 16-32 - it will give u less passes, but less noise on every pass either.

2013-09-16, 12:20:20
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I think the noise in this case is caused by environment light being partially occluded by those blinds in windows. It is a lot easier for shadow rays to sample one large square window, than dozens of narrow stripes. My suggestion would be to raise light samples multiplier, and see how that goes...

2013-09-16, 12:59:14
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Ous_gt, Are you using portals behind those blinds and are you using PT+HD? (sorry, I'm not able to download the scene right now)

Rawalanche, I think raising LSM could actually make darker areas more noisy, because more samples would be devoted to direct light and this would cause less samples in darker areas during the same time of rendering. I would suggest setting LSM to 1.0. :)


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2013-09-16, 16:28:54
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I'm using portals and yes, PT + HD

2013-09-16, 16:29:53
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I've tried changing almost anything in corona renderer settings, didn't help. I'm making a small crop render of the noisy part, i've been reading all the forum to find an answer, and changed almost anything, but couldn't find the solution.

2013-09-16, 20:02:38
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Hello

You can indicate the points
where the image appears this artifact?

you do not notice from your smartphone

Greats
Raf

2013-09-16, 22:39:14
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In the second picture i attached, almost everywhere is noisy. Try to zoom in on your smartphone. I mean it's not that bad, but after 250-300 passes, i expect it to be clearer, and the thing is, it never gets clear. No matter how long i wait. So i need to change something obviously, but i don't know what. I've tried to change almost everything in the settings but didn't help.

2013-09-17, 00:17:55
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Here's a thought, i was using corona sky multi 4 to make it brighter. That might be the reason. Testing with normal settings..

-nope it's not that.
« Last Edit: 2013-09-17, 02:08:00 by ous_gt »

2013-09-17, 11:11:25
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I downloaded the scene and I can see you have some really strange geometry in it and overlapping faces (for example portals are overlapping with walls). Your portals are facing wrong direction so they DON'T WORK AT ALL.

Portals should also cover the whole window hole. It's pointless to leave a hole, this kills the whole idea of portals.

You have to be careful with stuff like this in Corona, try to keep everything technically perfect and realistic.

Case closed. ;)
« Last Edit: 2013-09-17, 11:52:43 by maru »
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2013-09-17, 11:41:10
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I downloaded the scene and I can see you have some really strange geometry in it and overlapping faces (for example portals are overlapping with walls). Your portals are facing wrong direction so they DON'T WORK AT ALL.

Portals should also cover the whole window hole. It's pointless to leave a hole, this kills the whole idea of portals.

You have to be careful with stuff like this in Corona, try to keep everything technically perfect and realistic.

Case closed. ;)

I never knew portals in Corona depend on surface normal direction...  do you have any tests to back it up? :)

2013-09-17, 11:46:11
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Uh? Just place a portal in any scene. It emits light only in one direction. I usually add portals like this: extrude face(s) to form a window hole, remove the top face(s), cap it so there is only one face, detach this capping face. And then you have to apply "normal" modifier or else it won't work.


shit, am I wrong again? :(

yes
« Last Edit: 2013-09-17, 11:53:03 by maru »
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2013-09-17, 12:00:15
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you also don't have to cover whole window, they are effective even if covering openings only partially.
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2013-09-17, 12:21:32
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you also don't have to cover whole window, they are effective even if covering openings only partially.
This new for me! How work portal algorithm?
Ah, maybe,  portal farction is work here (0.75 default)
How work portal fraction? Why default = 0.75?
« Last Edit: 2013-09-17, 12:36:24 by Polymax »
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