Author Topic: [Maybe a Bug?] Anisotropic reflection on capped cylinders  (Read 19072 times)

2016-02-11, 16:54:18

WorkFlow

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Hello everyone,

I am doing a lot of product shots for a big lighting company which requires me to use brushed metals quite often.
The anisotropic option in the material manager works really great but has a really annoying flaw.

First of all there always has to be a radial reflection, which makes it a little hard to use on cubic forms because of reasons related to the next issue;

The radial reflection on the object's caps (which always are in Z direction) never "closes" completely.
There will stay an area with completely different reflections. This area depends somehow on the subdivisions of the cap.


I attached a quick test render I made with default UVW mapped material + wireframes.
« Last Edit: 2016-02-19, 09:28:00 by WorkFlow »
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2016-02-12, 14:08:02
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can you post a scene file?

2016-02-15, 09:34:07
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can you post a scene file?

Sorry I was out of office for the weekend.

The test-scene is attached - thank you very much for having a look into it!
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2016-02-15, 22:39:35
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I've taken a look and tried a few different things, with my limited uv unwrapping knowledge, but haven't been able to get around it with anisotropy enabled - would be worth posting in the bug tracker if anyone else can confirm it?

I do a few stainless steel product shots myself but have been lucky enough to avoid this problem as the products I've worked on haven't had stainless steel bases or tops to them. Have you tried going through the anisotropy video posted late last year?


2016-02-16, 11:02:34
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I've taken a look and tried a few different things, with my limited uv unwrapping knowledge, but haven't been able to get around it with anisotropy enabled - would be worth posting in the bug tracker if anyone else can confirm it?

I do a few stainless steel product shots myself but have been lucky enough to avoid this problem as the products I've worked on haven't had stainless steel bases or tops to them. Have you tried going through the anisotropy video posted late last year?

Thanks for having a look and of course for the link! I'll have a look later today..

As you already mentioned, if anyone else could confirm this, I'd report it as a bug!
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2016-02-17, 08:10:28
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So I just watched that video about the anisotopy settings and it's quite informative but...

I was hoping that the default anisotopy could handle flat radial reflection kinda like it does with radial reflection on spheres.
The solution shown in the video was to use a "brushed metal" texture as gloss and/or bump map which therefore has to be mapped correctly.

Another downside to this texturing method is, that for assigning textures to object parts you have to convert it to a polygon object first...
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2016-02-17, 09:06:53
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You don't need "brushed metl" or any else texture in glossiness channel for anisotropy to work, but spiral gradient texmap for anisotropy rotation is a must. There is no other way around. Luckily it's very easy to map such objects for anisotropy - it's just basic planar mapping.
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2016-02-18, 08:00:40
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You don't need "brushed metl" or any else texture in glossiness channel for anisotropy to work, but spiral gradient texmap for anisotropy rotation is a must. There is no other way around. Luckily it's very easy to map such objects for anisotropy - it's just basic planar mapping.

Thanks for your help! I tried what you said and didn't quite get the result I was hoping for...
Did you mean that I have to make one material with a radial gradient in the rotation slot and assign it to the top and bottom of the object and one basic metal for the rest?
Or is everything in one single material?

I kinda got the reflections to work in the middle part but there was still that circular "break" where the reflections would change somehow...
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2016-02-18, 09:57:56
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Single material should cover it - it's just a matter of anisotropy rotation map. I may give you some example later.

Edit: here's video to better visualise how rotation map should look like. Colours for cylinder side might be 0,0,0 64,64,64 128,128,128 or 256,256,256 depending of orientation of your object or UVs.

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2016-02-19, 09:06:12
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Single material should cover it - it's just a matter of anisotropy rotation map. I may give you some example later.

Edit: here's video to better visualise how rotation map should look like. Colours for cylinder side might be 0,0,0 64,64,64 128,128,128 or 256,256,256 depending of orientation of your object or UVs.

Thanks a lot for your answer and for that video! I tried to map my objects like you did, but had not the time for a uvw unwrap so its just 2 materials with polygon selections - this explains the "reflection-break" right above the beveled corner. The radial reflection basicly works now!

However the break on the base is still happening. I also rendered the right cylinder with the gradient active as diffuse and you can see it's mapped the same on the "inside" but the reflection changes...

Is it possible that this is a Cinema 4D only issue or am I just doing something wrong?
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2016-02-19, 09:25:19
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Hmm, that central part of a base really looks like a bug. I don't keep track on C4D bugs, so i don't know if it's reported already. Hopefully, someone who do know, will look into this topic and will tell you more about it.
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2016-02-19, 09:27:01
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Hmm, that central part of a base really looks like a bug. I don't keep track on C4D bugs, so i don't know if it's reported already. Hopefully, someone who do know, will look into this topic and will tell you more about it.

Okay thanks again, let's just hope someone stops by!
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2016-02-26, 14:55:53
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Hi guys,

I've created a bug report for this:
https://corona-renderer.com/bugs/view.php?id=1593
And we'll look into the problem once A5 has been out.

In the meantime, if anyone could try to reproduce the problem, that would be highly appreciated. The more information we get from you, the more effective we can be in resolving the issue.

Cheers,
Jarda




2016-02-26, 16:32:20
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Jarda, it is already reproduced - the scene is posted at the top of this thread. The same thing happens in 3ds Max version. Switching anisotropy orientation to UVW mode helps a bit, but there are some other strange problems (I don't think this option is available in C4D yet). I am not sure what the expected results look like. It would be great if someone could do similar test in another renderer. This only happens if the mesh is "chamfered" (will happen to chamfer box or chamfer cyl, but not to regular box or cyl). Another strange thing is that the anisotropic highlights are very "faceted".
I will also add this info to your mantis report.
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2016-02-26, 16:44:04
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looks like mental ray has some funny problems too
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