Author Topic: Threadripper & Ryzen only builds (3rd Gen starts on page 50)  (Read 258240 times)

2021-01-20, 09:23:41
Reply #1260

Juraj

  • Moderator
  • Active Users
  • ***
  • Posts: 4234
    • View Profile
    • studio website
That was kind of expected though, no :- ) ? RTX 3090 is killer deal.

So Johannes bought 3990X and tripple 3090? Nice.
talcikdemovicova.com  Website and blog
be.net/jurajtalcik   Our studio Behance portfolio
Instagram   Our studio Instagram, managed by Veronika

2021-01-20, 10:18:42
Reply #1261

Majeranek

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 90
    • View Profile
Ugh... and know I'm thinking what's the better option. Go for 3990X and stick with Corona or stay with my Xeon's, buy 2x RTX 3090 + bigger PSU and switch to FStorm/VRay...

btw. @Juraj, is there any way to reach you? I wanted to ask you something and you have PMs blocked.
marjoramstudio.com Website
be.net/filipmalecki Behance Portfolio
Instagram Instagram Profile

2021-01-20, 13:42:31
Reply #1262

Juraj

  • Moderator
  • Active Users
  • ***
  • Posts: 4234
    • View Profile
    • studio website
Unfortunately I don't have much time to answer personally in private, I have baby and husky dog jumping around me all-day while I try to run business as best I can..
I just go here every few days to check and write something :- ). It's best to ask a general question on forum, so everyone can chime in and read answers.

If it's something specific, you can reach me on the 'info' email on my website. But I don't guarantee any timely answer.

But if your question concerns CPU vs GPU and CPU vs GPU renderers, I honestly have no opinion on it currently. I mainly stay with Corona because of its productive stability and large team behind development. I consider it currently the best engine for commercial work in Arch Viz.

Out of interest I tried Vray 5 GPU and... it was just weird. It didn't even seem to support most features and how long has it been in development alongside regular Vray? It's like it's always behind. F-Storm, I sadly never even tried, I just don't have time to experiment at all. Because I have considerable render-farm, I am not very limited by speed currently.

I plan to buy 3090 when FE edition becomes available in Europe again, and mainly for Unreal Engine and such.

If Corona ever adopts GPU, that would be fantastic ! I would support that in heart beat :- ). But I personally don't plan to switch away from Corona, engine itself is the least of issues in commercial production.
talcikdemovicova.com  Website and blog
be.net/jurajtalcik   Our studio Behance portfolio
Instagram   Our studio Instagram, managed by Veronika

2021-01-20, 14:00:10
Reply #1263

Majeranek

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 90
    • View Profile
Unfortunately I don't have much time to answer personally in private, I have baby and husky dog jumping around me all-day while I try to run business as best I can..
I just go here every few days to check and write something :- ). It's best to ask a general question on forum, so everyone can chime in and read answers.

If it's something specific, you can reach me on the 'info' email on my website. But I don't guarantee any timely answer.

Sure, I know how it looks like with this kind of day activities 😉.

Nah, nothing too specific.
Mainly I was just curious where do you get your computer parts from? Based on your posts here in the topics I can tell that you're ordering parts all across the europe and do some really nice bargains occasionally. Could you throw some shops names 😉?

Also, I wanted your opinion on TR build as you're threadripper specialist here 😉. Mainly regarding the MBU and PSU as these two I'm not sure the most.

MBU: Asus ROG Strix TRX40-XE Gaming - don't know if Zenith II Extreme Alpha is woth the extra money? I read that XE version has the same 70A phases as Zenith II Extreme.
CPU: AMD Threadripper 3990X
Cooling: Noctua NH-U14S
PSU: Corsair HX1000i - I thought about some AXs but don't know if these are worth extra money? However I'm checking now and it's quite hard to get those Corsair units in Poland. So far I only used Corsairs and again don't know anything regarding the other brands.
RAM: 2x32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 XL
SSD: Samsung 1TB M.2 970 EVO
marjoramstudio.com Website
be.net/filipmalecki Behance Portfolio
Instagram Instagram Profile

2021-01-20, 14:11:54
Reply #1264

Juraj

  • Moderator
  • Active Users
  • ***
  • Posts: 4234
    • View Profile
    • studio website
If I am buying brand-new, I mostly buy from local e-shops like Alza. If it's unavailable, I go to Amazon, and if I need something that's not crucial to have brand new (like PSU or Motherboard) I look up eBay :- ). I am quite a bargainer...

Zenith II is worth it only for overclockers as all other boards have more than enough VRM capacity anyway. Zenith II does have better memory support for those who want to run extreme configs like 256 GB at 3600\CL16. Something like that is not quite stable on other boards.

Your memory, you do need 4 kits since it is quad-channel platform and it will not run with full performance without it.

Corsair is tricky because each of their models (not just model-ranges) are made by someone else. AX for example is made by Seasonic, except for the super-high end AX1600i which is using digital platform from Flextronics.
So there is no particular benefit to Corsair, they are simply popular brand. Corsair PSU can be super shit or super high quality, each model fully unrelated.

While I use the AX1600i for my two latest workstations (it;s the best PSU on market) I use Seasonic Prime series for everything else (Seasonic doesn't have 1600W unit).

My currently suggested memory kits for Zen architecture is Crucial Ballistics (Micron Rev-E), Patriot Viper (Hynix CJR) and G.Skill, all listed in 3600 CL18 32GB DIMMs.
talcikdemovicova.com  Website and blog
be.net/jurajtalcik   Our studio Behance portfolio
Instagram   Our studio Instagram, managed by Veronika

2021-01-20, 16:03:55
Reply #1265

Jpjapers

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 1424
    • View Profile
That was kind of expected though, no :- ) ? RTX 3090 is killer deal.

So Johannes bought 3990X and tripple 3090? Nice.

Of yeah it was expected but i didnt expect as huge of a difference. Kind of confirms for me that the future of rendering is GPU without any shadow of a doubt.
When a single card that costs half as much as the CPU can outperform the top tier CPU it kind of makes me think theres very little future in renderers that are exclusively bound to CPU.

Before now it was always the case that if you wanted to outperform a decent prosumer workstation youd need a couple of GPUs but now you can match performance with one but buy two for the same price as your cpu im wondering how long before corona realises they need to pivot.

2021-01-20, 19:15:03
Reply #1266

Vuk

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 79
    • View Profile
The test is with one 3090 or with 3x3090? Since in the text you copy-pasted it says 3x3090?

I sincerely doubt that gpu rendering is going to completely change cpu rendering, maybe in a few years, yes but at the end of the day I would never drop Corona for gpu renderer just because of the speed. It would need to be a complete package for me in order to make a switch and right now Vray Gpu isn't.

2021-01-20, 23:09:30
Reply #1267

Jpjapers

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 1424
    • View Profile
The test is with one 3090 or with 3x3090? Since in the text you copy-pasted it says 3x3090?

I sincerely doubt that gpu rendering is going to completely change cpu rendering, maybe in a few years, yes but at the end of the day I would never drop Corona for gpu renderer just because of the speed. It would need to be a complete package for me in order to make a switch and right now Vray Gpu isn't.

Triple 3090 rendered his scene over three times faster than a 3990 so logic would dictate that a single 3090 would match the processor speed. Unless AMD manage to fit more cores on the same die (very unlikely) then GPU is without a doubt the future. If i can buy a  3090 for half the price of a 3990X and match the rendering speed that gap in price and performance is only going to get bigger as time goes on. The 3000 series cards are the gamechanger and will drive so much development because of their extra horsepower. Im of the opinion that within the next 10 years offline rendering will be basically obsolete as realtime develops better pipelines and integration. Thats maybe 2 iterations of GPU development. I know a couple of people wiothin epic who are confident unreal 5 will cause some significant shifts.

2021-01-21, 10:34:20
Reply #1268

Majeranek

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 90
    • View Profile
If I am buying brand-new, I mostly buy from local e-shops like Alza. If it's unavailable, I go to Amazon, and if I need something that's not crucial to have brand new (like PSU or Motherboard) I look up eBay :- ). I am quite a bargainer...

Zenith II is worth it only for overclockers as all other boards have more than enough VRM capacity anyway. Zenith II does have better memory support for those who want to run extreme configs like 256 GB at 3600\CL16. Something like that is not quite stable on other boards.

Your memory, you do need 4 kits since it is quad-channel platform and it will not run with full performance without it.

Corsair is tricky because each of their models (not just model-ranges) are made by someone else. AX for example is made by Seasonic, except for the super-high end AX1600i which is using digital platform from Flextronics.
So there is no particular benefit to Corsair, they are simply popular brand. Corsair PSU can be super shit or super high quality, each model fully unrelated.

While I use the AX1600i for my two latest workstations (it;s the best PSU on market) I use Seasonic Prime series for everything else (Seasonic doesn't have 1600W unit).

My currently suggested memory kits for Zen architecture is Crucial Ballistics (Micron Rev-E), Patriot Viper (Hynix CJR) and G.Skill, all listed in 3600 CL18 32GB DIMMs.

Thanks for the advices!
Wondering on one thing. If I install only 2 kits of ram (quad) it won't work or just won't work at it's fullest capacity?
marjoramstudio.com Website
be.net/filipmalecki Behance Portfolio
Instagram Instagram Profile

2021-01-21, 16:21:47
Reply #1269

Vuk

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 79
    • View Profile
The test is with one 3090 or with 3x3090? Since in the text you copy-pasted it says 3x3090?

I sincerely doubt that gpu rendering is going to completely change cpu rendering, maybe in a few years, yes but at the end of the day I would never drop Corona for gpu renderer just because of the speed. It would need to be a complete package for me in order to make a switch and right now Vray Gpu isn't.

Triple 3090 rendered his scene over three times faster than a 3990 so logic would dictate that a single 3090 would match the processor speed. Unless AMD manage to fit more cores on the same die (very unlikely) then GPU is without a doubt the future. If i can buy a  3090 for half the price of a 3990X and match the rendering speed that gap in price and performance is only going to get bigger as time goes on. The 3000 series cards are the gamechanger and will drive so much development because of their extra horsepower. Im of the opinion that within the next 10 years offline rendering will be basically obsolete as realtime develops better pipelines and integration. Thats maybe 2 iterations of GPU development. I know a couple of people wiothin epic who are confident unreal 5 will cause some significant shifts.

Sounds great but I never actually thought of going GPU since the scenes I work with use over 64gb of ram. On the other hand, the 3090 has 24gb of ram and that opens new possibilities but I switched from V-ray to Corona a few years ago and I never looked back :). I just like Corona way more than V-ray to be honest...

2021-01-21, 21:51:34
Reply #1270

Juraj

  • Moderator
  • Active Users
  • ***
  • Posts: 4234
    • View Profile
    • studio website
Dual 3090 enables NV-Link memory pooling to 48GB. Although at far lower bandwidth than Quadro and A100s, so not sure if there are speed bottlenecks.

Tripple and Quad 3090 are back to 24GB though, only single pair of cards can be linked with all cards that are not A100s (which cost 10 times more than GeForce and 3times as much as Quadros). At least in Windows.

48GB is a lot, since GPU engines have a lot of really good compression methods and lot of them offer out-of-core for textures.

talcikdemovicova.com  Website and blog
be.net/jurajtalcik   Our studio Behance portfolio
Instagram   Our studio Instagram, managed by Veronika

2021-01-22, 14:03:08
Reply #1271

Jpjapers

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 1424
    • View Profile
Dual 3090 enables NV-Link memory pooling to 48GB. Although at far lower bandwidth than Quadro and A100s, so not sure if there are speed bottlenecks.

Tripple and Quad 3090 are back to 24GB though, only single pair of cards can be linked with all cards that are not A100s (which cost 10 times more than GeForce and 3times as much as Quadros). At least in Windows.

48GB is a lot, since GPU engines have a lot of really good compression methods and lot of them offer out-of-core for textures.

This new thing AMD have going on where the GPU can access storage directly will help alot with the texture issue i think. I canmt remember another acronym though!

2021-01-29, 12:18:46
Reply #1272

jamesdowling

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 81
    • View Profile
    • Atmos Visuals
Such a shame it looks like there won't be a new TR anytime soon, Looks like they have too much TRpro stock that they need to shift.

How are people finding the Ryzen 5950x to work with? I was looking into buying a new TR machine but the thought of buying a year old chip is putting me off- silly I know but when you're paying £4k just for the cpu...

So I'm thinking about building a 5950x to work on. Vray benchmark seems fairly close to my current 2990wx which is crazy and it should be faster for actual work and have my TR 2990wx as a node,  then purchase a new TR when they come out...next year?
« Last Edit: 2021-01-29, 12:56:34 by jamesdowling »

2021-01-29, 12:29:58
Reply #1273

romullus

  • Global Moderator
  • Active Users
  • ****
  • Posts: 6845
  • Let's move this topic, shall we?
    • View Profile
    • My Models
Just out of curiosity - why3950x, why not 5950x?
I'm not Corona Team member. Everything i say, is my personal opinion only.
My Models | My Videos | My Pictures

2021-01-29, 12:55:47
Reply #1274

jamesdowling

  • Active Users
  • **
  • Posts: 81
    • View Profile
    • Atmos Visuals
Just out of curiosity - why3950x, why not 5950x?

Ah sorry I wrote down the wrong name, will correct. Thanks for picking that up