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Title: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 09:10:44
i like Cedrone Photo for me now he's a reference for art of photography and stile mood. i wanted try this simple setup lighting, and in the same scene testing a sss setup of milk,
this is my first fast attempt for set up light and milk, other materials are only placed in the scene without any correction, they need more work.
ceiling material its wrong.
 if you have any advice, you are welcome :)
Nicola
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2014-11-26, 09:36:42
Doesn't look much like milk. Unless it's what Cartman drank in South Park episode, where he accidentally put Kenny's ashes into milking thinking it was cocoa :)
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 10:39:57
hahaha :) i remember that episode, i will search more references..but it's hard to find milk on backlight setup
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 10:46:48
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/seriouslyscience/files/2014/10/3710113739_ff3a93d34e_z.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2826/11689193346_27f52f57f0_m.jpg

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/11/6/1415268824811/Milk-010.jpg
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: maru on 2014-11-26, 10:57:48
Your photo references of milk show very thin layers of it, this probably misguided you. I think milk is less translucent.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 11:07:37
mm, you are right.
i'm trying this setup now.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 11:09:51
in absorption color i use this rgb

Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: maru on 2014-11-26, 12:04:13
Honestly these settings are confusing for me. From what I learned absorption colour's value also affects absorption's distance. So setting darker colour is the same as setting lower distance value. Am I right? And darker "scattering" colour will make the object look more dense and lighter will make it look more transparent?
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 17:05:17
Honestly these settings are confusing for me. From what I learned absorption colour's value also affects absorption's distance. So setting darker colour is the same as setting lower distance value. Am I right? And darker "scattering" colour will make the object look more dense and lighter will make it look more transparent?
this is a definition in corona help..
absorption is controlled by setting the color that original white ray will have after traveling specific distance in the medium.
in my test the color i sselect in this parameter generate different sss color
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 17:21:41
if  increase distance parameter you can see the color i used in abs
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-26, 18:18:07
last milk set up
in the second render i used same milk setup but on direct light.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2014-11-27, 09:17:37
That looks a bit better :)
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Nekrobul on 2014-11-27, 12:53:43
Looks too dark to me.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-27, 15:26:08
Looks too dark to me.
in both image or only the first?
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-27, 15:29:28
That looks a bit better :)
all colors are near to pure white (255 255 255), with a little part of yellow, maybe it's a illumination/contrast problem
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: blank... on 2014-11-27, 17:46:49
First option looks the best to me. This last one looks like watered milk. Not sure if you've ever seen watered milk, but that is exactly how it looks :)

(http://i.imgur.com/P9o0cqa.png)

It's milk, unless lit from all sides it will be dark, like in the first renders.

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/images/GlassOfMilkMED.jpg
http://bestwallpaperhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Milk-on-Glass.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/milk-bottles-13861041?st=88128a9
http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-photos-glass-jug-glass-milk-rustic-wooden-table-image30319693
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sindykids/4501813505
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-206901688/stock-photo-organic-white-almond-milk-in-a-jug.html?src=mX9dfKXNAau2NTKUdEkvEw-5-55
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-27, 20:02:43
Yes Blank you are right, i decreased distance parameter on abs, for do milk more "dense"

this is my last setup.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-27, 20:23:16
last milk setup
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-11-28, 09:47:56
last render in hi res.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Nekrobul on 2014-12-01, 09:56:04
Looks too dark to me.
in both image or only the first?

Only firs looked wierd, but the last render looks just like the milk) prefious versions looked more like milk mixed up with water.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-12-01, 16:21:01
thank you :)
then the last one is right for you?
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-12-01, 16:39:49
Last Version
C&C are welcome :)
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Nekrobul on 2014-12-03, 02:06:43
thank you :)
then the last one is right for you?

Yes last one looks great )
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Juanon on 2014-12-03, 13:17:01
what corona version are you using?
im with a7.1 and there is no absorption option :s
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-12-03, 16:53:45
thank you Nekrobul

@ juanon:  i'm using a daily build.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: Bigguns on 2014-12-04, 11:43:15
yes really believable milk shader good job!
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: art-MIXER on 2014-12-04, 19:31:49
last render in hi res.

A very good test, although the light for this case is quite controversial )
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: borisquezadaa on 2014-12-04, 19:47:23
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20800000/Korova-Milk-Bar-a-clockwork-orange-20833552-500-324.gif)

Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: borisquezadaa on 2014-12-04, 20:03:39
I like  to add:
"Appearance

Both the fat globules and the smaller casein micelles, which are just large enough to deflect light, contribute to the opaque white color of milk. The fat globules contain some yellow-orange carotene, enough in some breeds (such as Guernsey and Jersey cattle) to impart a golden or "creamy" hue to a glass of milk. The riboflavin in the whey portion of milk has a greenish color, which sometimes can be discerned in skimmed milk or whey products.[13] Fat-free skimmed milk has only the casein micelles to scatter light, and they tend to scatter shorter-wavelength blue light more than they do red, giving skimmed milk a bluish tint.[71]"

From almigthy wikipedia.
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-12-08, 19:33:55
last render in hi res.

A very good test, although the light for this case is quite controversial )

thank you :)
what did you mean with controversial?
Title: Re: Cedrone Lighting test + milk
Post by: jjaz82 on 2014-12-08, 19:36:48
I like  to add:
"Appearance

Both the fat globules and the smaller casein micelles, which are just large enough to deflect light, contribute to the opaque white color of milk. The fat globules contain some yellow-orange carotene, enough in some breeds (such as Guernsey and Jersey cattle) to impart a golden or "creamy" hue to a glass of milk. The riboflavin in the whey portion of milk has a greenish color, which sometimes can be discerned in skimmed milk or whey products.[13] Fat-free skimmed milk has only the casein micelles to scatter light, and they tend to scatter shorter-wavelength blue light more than they do red, giving skimmed milk a bluish tint.[71]"



From almigthy wikipedia.


thank you This is an interesting definition :D