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Title: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-01, 13:30:11
hi guys,

during this quarantine, can't complain about job inquiries.
any critics and improvements would be really appreciated

c4d, corona, photoshop

stay safe everyone


(https://i.ibb.co/wsMZML8/contemporary-cabin-oslo-1rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/X8SfS46) (https://i.ibb.co/JxRk6pZ/contemporary-cabin-oslo-4rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/q0M1qg6)
(https://i.ibb.co/xL1M5dD/contemporary-cabin-oslo-2rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/jfyL4sT) (https://i.ibb.co/pKwQTDp/contemporary-cabin-oslo-3rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/M1SfHTL)

Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: aaouviz on 2020-04-01, 14:00:07
VERY nice work. Well done :)
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: maru on 2020-04-01, 16:46:27
If you are asking for criticism and improvements, then all I can do is shut up. :D
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: burnin on 2020-04-01, 21:57:13
remove megascans and do it again...

now, you claim it's about the cabin, yet all I can see is distraction - just like modern days - fake lives while the truth is obscured, just dark.
simply nothing to critique :p
 
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-02, 08:57:03
remove megascans and do it again...

now, you claim it's about the cabin, yet all I can see is distraction - just like modern days - fake lives while the truth is obscured, just dark.
simply nothing to critique :p

i did black matte version here, because i just love dark cabins in scandinavia, original (client based) cabin was in a bit more in detail and color. but i hear you, i will do some upgrade on this one (i have some ideas in mind) and add a bit more detailing :)
with 'comments and critics' i was actually asking for improvements of light, texture, angles and render itself, but thanks for insight!

1st step. i am about to add real fog

Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: burnin on 2020-04-02, 12:51:42
i did black matte version here, because i just love dark cabins in scandinavia, original (client based) cabin was in a bit more in detail and color. but i hear you, i will do some upgrade on this one (i have some ideas in mind) and add a bit more detailing :)
with 'comments and critics' i was actually asking for improvements of light, texture, angles and render itself, but thanks for insight!

1st step. i am about to add real fog

well, you did chose the simplest, dullest of all possible lighting variations... :)
but, I believe you're on a good path to make a work of a masterpiece quality

now, adding fog simply makes it mystical, while scene, growing in complexity is starting to beg for a story...
so, a possible projection...

Quote
There's a storm in a distance and here clouds are starting to break. An "eye" opens letting ray of light shine through. It guides and focuses spectators vision through the clouds toward "salvation" - where water droplets sparkle on a cabin & surrounding mist glows, it appears to show a place which offers heaven-like protection.
©  ;)
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: aaouviz on 2020-04-02, 13:07:54
remove megascans and do it again...

now, you claim it's about the cabin, yet all I can see is distraction - just like modern days - fake lives while the truth is obscured, just dark.
simply nothing to critique :p

Jeez tough crowd. OP is using the toolset available to him/us. Nothing wrong with that. You might as well tell him to "remove corona and do it again..."
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: burnin on 2020-04-02, 14:14:28
@aaouviz
Hi and welcome to the thread.

I challenge you to think!

Asset is not the tool.

 Share your opinion, make criticism, provide argument... but don't judge and be a fool :P

Realize yourself, I am not a crowd.
No other made any critique, but only provided a thought about how hard it is to base the critique on "flawless" work, thus I continued clearly stating the obvious... and correspondence went on...

It's a hard knock life...
... Live and let die.

Thank you for your attention - now, let us continue :)
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: romullus on 2020-04-02, 17:00:44
I got to agree with burnin, without enviroment it's just a big black box - ugly stain on beautiful landscape.
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: Designerman77 on 2020-04-02, 17:04:39
I got to agree with burnin, without enviroment it's just a big black box - ugly stain on beautiful landscape.

A brutal critique... :)

However, that relationship between nature and the architecture might be worth trying some iterations.
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-02, 17:36:03
it personal reference, few will always adore dark shit, while other will opposite
anyway, did some few tests
now it is one ugly box with small window :)

(https://i.ibb.co/WByzSzz/contemporary-cabin-oslo-4rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/frpNmNN)
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: 1equals2 on 2020-04-02, 18:49:07
Looks pretty awesome!

What's your experience with megascans? 
For some reason I can not get good looking shaders when using their 3d scans and the 4k resolution maps. Almost same applies to 4k textures for surfaces.
The tree and stone You have used look with quite good resolution....

Unfortunately by default Quixel just charges You without giving You the options to change your subscriptions plan.
After officially proclaimed free use with Unreal and the increased points and upped resolution, my account was charged without access to any of the new conditions. I hear others have experienced the same.... Really unprofessional, but still counting artistic souls.

Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: Designerman77 on 2020-04-02, 18:58:35
it personal reference, few will always adore dark shit, while other will opposite
anyway, did some few tests
now it is one ugly box with small window :)

(https://i.ibb.co/WByzSzz/contemporary-cabin-oslo-4rgb.png) (https://ibb.co/frpNmNN)


No, it´s not ugly.

Maybe try to make the black surface a bit less matte (light absorbing), so it is not like a black spot without surface (except you intended exactly like that... your artistic freedom).
But instead of that yellowish surface, maybe try OSB-board material ?
And a long, slim window?

Just some spontaneous suggestions. You know, other eyes always see things differently. :)


Maybe what most commenters instinctively miss, is a nice big window as a counter-point to the closed look of the black box. And a hint of what's inside the building.

Otherwise I like your idea.
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-02, 19:29:28
Looks pretty awesome!

What's your experience with megascans? 
For some reason I can not get good looking shaders when using their 3d scans and the 4k resolution maps. Almost same applies to 4k textures for surfaces.
The tree and stone You have used look with quite good resolution....

Unfortunately by default Quixel just charges You without giving You the options to change your subscriptions plan.
After officially proclaimed free use with Unreal and the increased points and upped resolution, my account was charged without access to any of the new conditions. I hear others have experienced the same.... Really unprofessional, but still counting artistic souls.

i am using free version with unreal. idk.
what do you mean by "cannot get good looking shaders"? did you download actual high quality scanned object or just default model ("High poly source" tick)? quixel made me confused when i surfed there for solid 3 hours downloading every single asset, trying out in render and realizing everying looks fake. then i discovered, you can download high detailed scan, and with combo of 4k texture - looks great.

actually, here, only one rock is from quixel (central one), other rocks are from different sources (pretty crappy, but oh well, i tweaked a lot those shaders).
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-02, 19:31:07
But instead of that yellowish surface, maybe try OSB-board material ?

tbh, osb is exactly what i am aiming for but i cant find any solid seamless high quality shader for that. even on cc0 textures, they dont provide the exact look i am after. or maybe i am just too lazy to reshade it in photoshop for higher resolution :)
i think i am calling it quit today, and i am gonna re-render region of osb in last shot tomorrow
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: burnin on 2020-04-02, 19:48:52
Either dark or white, monochromatic color compositions are the toughest ones. It is where surface properties, form and lighting come to play and either emphasize visual impression (thus experience) or in a moment (~3sec) kill it altogether.  || You'll need to take care of it by yourself & make your own. 

And about being it beautiful or ugly - those are merely a different, individual, personal perspectives on aesthetics in general, which are often just a waste of life to argue about (De gustibus non est disputandum). Also, too many perfect shit in golden ratio or thirds make the piece dull, boring, ugly... :p
see ;) there's a whole science on the aesthetics of ugliness. Helps to know Eco's "Bruttezza" ;)   
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-02, 20:26:41
And about being it beautiful or ugly - those are merely a different, individual, personal perspectives on aesthetics in general, which are often just a waste of life to argue about (De gustibus non est disputandum).

nailed it thats why i stopped taking anything serious a long time ago
one thing i know for sure, the longer i stay on project tweaking and rerendering anything, the more i start to hate it. so i need to step up my game and find a final :)
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: burnin on 2020-04-02, 21:22:29
one thing i know for sure, the longer i stay on project tweaking and rerendering anything, the more i start to hate it. so i need to step up my game and find a final :)
We all* are confronted to our works becoming banal, stale in our eyes which we tend to find repulsive so the sooner one rebels against the sooner it overcomes and grows out of the phase. It's a challenge, so simply set your deadline and stick to it. Here's where we find our weaknesses to strengthen up and start to discipline ourselves.

You're not far from the finish line... and although this is - the final stretch, the longest path - it's still, mere illusion ;)

So simply do the best you can since we always grow learning something new about ourselves for the next time to be better prepared. Wabi-Sabi
adding complexity like:
- airborne, dew and other particles,
- mixing noise, giving more diversity to surfaces,
- and finally emphasize fidelity and "drama" in the image...
... or just take notes to self with a goal to do short exercises during the next "meanwhile" (~30min on "How to...")

:)
________________________________________________________
* Hmmm.... well, almost all - exception being the unreasonable human.


Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: PMVis on 2020-04-03, 08:09:48
But instead of that yellowish surface, maybe try OSB-board material ?

tbh, osb is exactly what i am aiming for but i cant find any solid seamless high quality shader for that. even on cc0 textures, they dont provide the exact look i am after. or maybe i am just too lazy to reshade it in photoshop for higher resolution :)
i think i am calling it quit today, and i am gonna re-render region of osb in last shot tomorrow

Nice images! You could always try Poliigon's Wood Engineered Generator to create the OSB textures you need.;)
https://www.poliigon.com/texture/wood-engineered-generator
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: cjwidd on 2020-04-03, 08:51:32
dam son, very photographic +1
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: Philip kelly on 2020-04-03, 10:21:53
Nice images.
Why do people always show houses built on rocks.
Its one of the last places you should build a house, and its the most expensive.
Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-03, 13:39:44
thanks for feedback everybody.

i am having issue though. or is it not? started this morning. when i installed Adobe Acrobat Reader DC (idk if it makes any diffrence, but i have always thought adobe has this enjoyment  to mess up your system).

i am re-rendering 3rd camera view, with improvements, etc, nothing much heavier. but after 20min i got like 3 passes (i remember rendering first time on even bigger resolution it was like 20+ passes already on same time). i noticed terrible cpu spikes on task manager going from 95% - 100% usage. at Procceses tab there is nothing suspicious.

i uninstalled Adobe Acrobat Reader DC.
after restart - it is like this 99% - 100%, pretty much flatline. what is up with that?

Title: Re: contemporary cabin - oslo, norway
Post by: karklinskarlis1993 on 2020-04-03, 17:16:36
still rendering this shot

from 100% with no spikes it has gone to ~90-99% cpu usage. pc starting to lag too. rays too have came from 1000k to 700k. i have no clue what is going on.