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Title: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-20, 14:45:12: Hi guys

I am currently using this build as workstation - i4770k, 32gb ram, gtx660, gigabyte z87p-d3
and this one as a node - i4790, 32gb ram, built in gpu, gigabyte z97p-d3

I recently started to experience problems with low RAM when working with large aerial scenes and 8k resolution so the question is - what possibilities do I have if I want to upgrade these computers for the best value possible? (under 1000 euro, the less the better - ideally under 700)

Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: burnin on 2016-09-20, 16:54:43: 32GB is max RAM size that those CPUs can handle. (i4790k (http://ark.intel.com/products/80806/Intel-Core-i7-4790-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz) & i4770k (http://ark.intel.com/products/75123/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz))
Sell both & make a better one... look in to this thread:
Guide for budget 32thread render node build / 2xXeon E5 2670v1 C2 sub 900 euro (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php/topic,12280.0/all.html)
or go directly to the page: http://talcikdemovicova.com/32-thread-build-on-budget/ (http://talcikdemovicova.com/32-thread-build-on-budget/)
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-20, 17:37:57: Would that single build perform better than thosetwo I own now ?
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Freakaz on 2016-09-20, 18:05:35: from my experience 2xE5 2670 performs ~4 times faster than i7-4770K, so i think it would outperform your WS+Node.
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-21, 07:40:17: so my suggested build looks like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Z9PE-D8-WS-SSI-EEB-Chipset-Socket-R-Workstation-C602-Motherboard-Intel-/142117601087?hash=item2116de7f3f:g:IuwAAOSw9IpX0jlE&autorefresh=true
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-PCS-Intel-Xeon-E5-2670-2-60-Ghz-20M-8-Core-CPU-Processor-SR0KX-C2-115W-LGA2011-/191914784425?hash=item2caf0336a9:g:WTkAAOSwvg9Xe9rQ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/48GB-64GB-96GB-8GB-605313-071-PC3-PC3L-10600R-DDR3-1333MHz-HP-G8-/131925366648?var=&hash=item1eb75d5778:m:mdxcvRK59Vni_XGxtbHqGWw 64 or 96gb

few questions - how much memory could I eventually install into this motherboard? would it be possible to use ram modules from my current build and just buy another 4x8 gb sticks for now and still be able to upgrade to 96 or 128 gb?

would fractal design tesla 500w be enough for the build? or do I need new PSU?

I would use case and cooling I have currently in my workstation

thanks
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Jann on 2016-09-21, 09:43:38: If it still fits in your budget, look for E5-2680 on ebay or aliexpress. Not exactly crazy faster than 2670, but might be worth the extra ;)
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-21, 14:25:07: How about my other questions? :)
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Jann on 2016-09-21, 14:39:18: I had 8x8Gb normal Kingston memory sticks working in that board. 64Gb would be max with normal memory.
As for ecc and registered, on Asus product page it states 256Gb max, but that would probably cost you a fortune :|
Same as Juraj suggests in his article I'd say get at least 750w psu. So 500w is a no-go.
Smallest case I know fits that board is a Fractal Design Define R4. Then Define XL R2. (the new R5 have recessed motherboard tray, which prevents board this big)
So while it does go into some ATX cases, it's risky.
For cooling the Cooler Master Hyper 212 work good. Also saw someone build with two Arctic Freezer i30 coolers.
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-21, 14:52:09: Jann I sent you PM
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-21, 23:24:30: So I am slowly buliding this up

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-PCS-Intel-Xeon-E5-2670-2-60-Ghz-20M-8-Core-CPU-Processor-SR0KX-C2-115W-LGA2011-/191914784425?hash=item2caf0336a9:g:WTkAAOSwvg9Xe9rQ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Z9PE-D8-WS-SSI-EEB-Chipset-Socket-R-Workstation-C602-Motherboard-Intel-/142117601087?hash=item2116de7f3f:g:IuwAAOSw9IpX0jlE&autorefresh=true
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-PC3-10600R-64GB-8X8GB-ECC-REG-Memory-DDR3-Registered-Server-RAM-2Rx4-/152026031319?hash=item23657524d7:g:fjAAAOSwwpdW-QCf
https://www.alza.sk/evga-650-gq-power-supply-d4201732.htm?catid=18849176
2x https://www.alza.sk/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-d505414.htm?catid=18853410

It would be somewhere around 900 euro with the parts I already have - gtx660 graphic card, 240gb ssd, and 2tb hdd

Also I have Corsair Carbide 200R case which I would like to use - would it be possible? And could you also please have a look on that build if it misses someting?

Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Jann on 2016-09-22, 08:46:38: I haven't saved any links, but there was definitely cheaper ecc ddr3 ram on ebay. 95-100eur for 64gb, look in the same shops that sell xeons.
Here's a list of cases people have found to be compatible with that board:
Chieftec Dragon CH-07B-B
Phanteks Eclipse P400 /s
Phanteks Enthoo Pro M
Aerocool Xpredator Xpredator
Aerocool Xpredator Evil Black-Black/Orange
Thermaltake Core V51 \V71
Thermaltake Chaser A71
NZXT SWITCH 810 BLACK Full Tower
INWIN GRone Metallic Grey
Fractal Design Define XL R2
Cooler Master HAF X
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 Black

Double check if possible. I really don't think the 200R will fit.
You could probably find used 212 Evos, if you want to save some more money.
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-09-22, 09:57:21: Honestly I am thinking about buying this http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Z9PA-D8C-ATX-Mainboard-Skt-2011-Intel-C602-90SB02U0-M1UAY0-/291877752609?hash=item43f5450f21:g:GrsAAOSw8w1X3RSr as it would fit into my case :)

What do you think about that MB? except I need to buy soundcard that seems like only drawback for me :)

Regarding the ram - 95-100 eur for 64gb is ok isn´t it? those samsung modules are just for that price..
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Jann on 2016-09-22, 12:18:05: Quote from: johnymrazko on 2016-09-22, 09:57:21
Honestly I am thinking about buying this http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Z9PA-D8C-ATX-Mainboard-Skt-2011-Intel-C602-90SB02U0-M1UAY0-/291877752609?hash=item43f5450f21:g:GrsAAOSw8w1X3RSr as it would fit into my case :)

What do you think about that MB? except I need to buy soundcard that seems like only drawback for me :)

Regarding the ram - 95-100 eur for 64gb is ok isn´t it? those samsung modules are just for that price..
Oh, that one will fit any standart ATX case. Find a sound card, or earphones with usb sound and it's good to go ;)
A build with that board is where I got the info for using Arctic coolers. Just make sure that case is wide enough for whatever coolers your using.
The ram you posted is probably fine, just those are 96 pounds, so around 114euro. I just suggest you search for cheaper deals.
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: Juraj on 2016-09-22, 13:27:20: That is still good deal on memory, lately I've seen most on UK for some odd reason.
Title: Re: Workstation and node upgrade
Post by: subpixelsk on 2016-11-09, 13:58:49: Hi guys

time has come to upgrade and I´d like you to have a look if everything will work properly together

MB I will go with Z9PE D8 MB (found on local market)
RAM http://www.ebay.com/itm/64GB-8x8GB-PC3L-10600R-ECC-Memory-RAM-Upgrade-4-Dell-POWEREDGE-R410-R15-R510-/322288991067?hash=item4b09ebbb5b:g:RSsAAOSwLF1X-11J
CPU http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-PCS-Intel-Xeon-SR0H8-E5-2670-8-CORE-2-60-GHz-20M-Cache-8-00-GT-s-CPU-Processor-/191914732091?hash=item2caf026a3b:g:T3QAAOSwuzRXe8Q~
CASE https://www.alza.sk/fractal-design-define-xl-r2-black-pearl-d2139087.htm?o=2
COOLING 2x https://www.alza.sk/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-d281310.htm
PSU https://www.alza.sk/evga-650-gq-power-supply-d4201732.htm?catid=18849176
SSD and HDD used from the current build

thanks