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dfcorona:
I've been looking at new monitor for one of he main systems.  We have a few Dell U3415W monitors, and they had good color accuracy and worked well.  I was looking at ordering either a Dell U4924DW or the Samsung Odyssey Ark.  The Ark is a VA panel though and not sure how accurate the colors will be vs the Dell.  It is nice and big and has great HDR though. The Dell might be a better option because it will probably match the other monitors in the studio better, and it's IPS.  What do you think? Is 4k still an issue? We had know issues with our 1440p Dell Screens.

Juraj:
In terms of 3dsMax having issues with scaling, I have find this to be still true even in 2023 (not on 20214 yet) if following conditions are met:

- Multiple monitors use different scaling factors (for example middle 4K monitor is using 150perc. scaling and side 2560px is using 125perc. scaling).
- You are at full-screen mode (resetting from full-screen to in-screen will enable you to pick menus correctly)

It's the reason I use 3x 32" 4K monitors for home, and connect identical resolution portable monitors when using laptop.

For Samsung VA monitor panels, they can have great accuracy and color gamut, but still suffer from VA issues, like hue & gamma shift off-angle. I find it personally off-putting for work.
There is also the issue of Samsung monitor VA panels not being that much better than IPS in terms of static contrast (i.e 1:3000 vs 1:1000 is not 3x times better because we perceive not linearly, so it's more like 30-40perc. better only. This is in big contrast to Samsung TV VA panels, that have 1:8000 static contrast and much better angles.. and are not curved.

For dynamic contrast, VA is better choice for Mini-Led treatment since the difference between static (not using local dimming) and dynamic (using it) is not so dramatic as for IPS Mini-Led panels.

But following issues still exist:

1) Ark is 55" ultra-wide with only 80 PPI. That is very, very bad. Extremely bad. Like 27" Full-HD effectively. Or did you mean Oddysey Neo G9 (there is one 49" 5K and one 57" 8K that is just coming not sure).
2) Samsung poor quality control. Just have a look at r/monitors subreddit. Samsung is somewhat equivalent with poor sampling. I would not like to take my chances for professional monitor to just stop working correctly
3) 1000R Curve. To me that's just absurd level of curving for architectural work :- ). 1800R and larger radius is preferrable for work.

Dell U4924DW is interesting choice, since it has ok-ish PPI of 110, and IPS-Black, which means 1:2000. Again, not to be confused, 1:2000 is roughly 20perc. better than usual 1:1000 IPS panels. The numbers don't really describe the reality well. But LG IPS-Black panels are as good as IPS panels get right now for professional work.

Following issues for the Dell:
- 60 HZ, not Mini-Led, thus not HDR. Both kind of regrettable at this price point but this is the state of monitor market right now. Poor quality gaming monitors with amazing features and high-quality professional monitor with absolutely no progress in terms of technology and features. Really really not great choice to be made, so many compromises.

My opinion in general for Mini-LED displays right now:

- It works amazingly for movies, kinda good for some games, absolutely terrible for work. Even 2000 zones are not enough for decent photography work, but line-work just looks absurd. So you have to turn the local dimming off for regular work.
- BUT when you turn local dimming off, you will be surprised that grey uniformity is even worse than edge-lit displays. This is because the mini LEDs aren't very calibrated themselves.
- Also, Mini-LED when fully on (local dimming off) create this barn-door effect, sort of off-axis brightness shift when you look side-to-side panning. Not like VA monitors, different, but just as annoying. I've seen this personally on few Asus high-end mini-led displays I tested and I really disliked it.. I haven't seen this in the Apple ProDisplay which has only 512 or how little zones, so this might be based on individual panel types but, all the Asus mini-leds had it, so I presume majority of gaming panels from AU-Optronics will have that.


If this post makes it sound like there is not a single good monitor on market, that is honestly my opinion :- ). I just wouldn't waste money of the mediocrity right now being sold. 1500 Euro for pro-monitors with 60HZ, 300 Nits Brightness, no FALD or 1500 Euro Gaming monitors with poor calibration, poor quality control, firmware issues, the FALD not working properly in SDR space, etc..

Personally, I am just waiting for more affordable 4K OLEDs. Fuck the Mini-LED, and both VA and IPS.

Which of the ultra-wides is best choice right now I can't say, my most favourite choice is Dell U4021QW but it has no mini-led, is 60HZ only, not even LG-IPS-Black panels and costs more than OLED C1 42" TV. But for purely SDR work, it's the best. Otherwise the C1 OLED TV.

dfcorona:
Thanks for the info bud,  I hear what your saying.  Feel like we are getting jipped no matter the direction we look.  Good gaming with nothing else, or good color accuracy with nothing else.  I like the Dell, they served me well and have good color accuracy but 60hrz no HDR is a joke. I do get ghosting on the IPS though after a while of static image. Here is another monitor I was looking at because it's OLED with good features. Corsair XENEON FLEX 45WQHD240

Juraj:
The 84 PPI is no-go to me. The current viable OLED monitors are:

1) The ones based on LG 27" QHD panel (like LG 27GR95QE-B itself, but Asus and other brands have their own model of this panel) for those who want high-refresh rate, since the panel is 240HZ, but don't mind lower 109 PPI (this is minimal level of PPI I would expect from sitting distance behind desktop) and the text fringing from the inverted sub-pixel layout.

2) The ones based on JOLED 27"/32" 4K for those who need higher brightness (on average the JOLED inked panels are 100 NITs brighter than the LG WOLED or Samsung QD-OLED, but are ok with mere 60HZ and higher pricetag (but I have seen these monitors on discount as low as 2000 Euro, which is almost steal). LG 27EP950 and 2EP950

3) The 42" 4K LG TV for those who don't mind aggressive brightness dimming and lower overall desktop brightness (this can be as low as 100 NITs for white background...). Best price-tag, best glossy finish coating, 120HZ, good-enough 104 PPI.

mraw:
Juraj, what do you think of the newer C2 OLED TV(42")? Thank you.

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