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2014-10-07, 17:20:50

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2014-10-07, 17:42:26
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2014-10-07, 17:52:03
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2014-10-07, 17:52:51
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2014-10-07, 18:02:19
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2014-10-07, 18:11:08
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and how much cost box subscription per year?

It said " one time payment " and lifetime license.

2014-10-07, 18:16:55
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and how much cost box subscription per year?

It said " one time payment " and lifetime license.

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2014-10-07, 18:27:00
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ok. only one question. where,when and how to pay?)

2014-10-07, 18:28:13
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So does this mean the Saas model will be tied down to one pc or will I be able to for eg  deactivate at home and activate at work? Or I just have to get two subscriptions for each pc?
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2014-10-07, 18:42:46
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2014-10-07, 18:44:59
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back to SSSR, lol ))

2014-10-07, 18:56:06
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back to SSSR, lol ))

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2014-10-07, 19:49:43
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About box license: How much will cost future upgrades after using free 90 days upgrades?
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2014-10-07, 19:51:48
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Some questions from me too...
1.)if i wait to purchase the Standalone for 3dsmax and the cost is too much i will lose the offer for the box offer??
2.)The licence for Standalone will be forever???
3.) the speed will be increased for the Standalone 3dsmax  too??
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2014-10-07, 20:17:35
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Okay, really great info about the pricing/release - count me in, definitely! :).

Could you explain how will it work with multiple packages? Let's say I need a license for Max and C4D, how would you bill me? Will they be the same license with different installations or would I need to buy a separate license for each program? Same questions for different OS-s (Mac/Win). What about using the license on more computers (laptop/desktop)?
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2014-10-07, 20:34:26
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Firstly, I think your pricing structure is perfect. It will severely cut into sales of other renderers. You totally deserve to make a ton of money, as this is an excellent product, and you are an awesome group of people making this.

Personally, I was hoping there would be a hobbyist/non commercial version or something I could afford from my own wallet. Most of my Max use is supporting others (specifically on a forum I run and supporting/educating young artists where I work), and my Corona use has been solely personal use. I will be sad when I no longer have access to this amazing renderer!

Anyway, I'm really glad to see you guys are finally going to make some money from all the hard work you have done. I'll continue promoting it, as this is a render engine that really could change the world.

2014-10-07, 20:55:41
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Great news, only one question about SaaS, is this a floating license?

2014-10-07, 21:24:41
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and how much cost box subscription per year?

It said " one time payment " and lifetime license.

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No Daily build access  – But you can buy subscription to get both daily builds and updates for additional year.
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yeah you talk about upgrades here .

2014-10-07, 21:49:59
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Hello. Please answer my questions:

1. There seems to be a mismatch between the info-graphics and bulleted-info for edu/student licence.
Info-graphics say that there will be daily build access, the bullet says there wont be. Which is true?
2. Will there be any discount for users who have 3ds max box version of Corona, when, lets say, Blender version comes out?
3. The cost of updates after 90-day period for box version
4. Why no daily build access for Box version? I think this is kinda unfair. Box users give you more money then subscription ones, and they do it instantly, and they don't get the daily builds?

2014-10-07, 22:07:37
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4. Why no daily build access for Box version? I think this is kinda unfair. Box users give you more money then subscription ones, and they do it instantly, and they don't get the daily builds?

This.

I think most serious users who are willing to pay the full price (myself included) want access to the daily builds and this cost should be absorbed by the up front cost of the box version. This is a real deal breaker for me as I hate monthly subscriptions with a passion.
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2014-10-07, 22:12:35
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This.

I think most serious users who are willing to pay the full price (myself included) want access to the daily builds and this cost should be absorbed by the up front cost of the box version. This is a real deal breaker for me as I hate monthly subscriptions with a passion.

Couldn't have said it better.

2014-10-07, 22:13:50
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Personally, I was hoping there would be a hobbyist/non commercial version or something I could afford from my own wallet. Most of my Max use is supporting others (specifically on a forum I run and supporting/educating young artists where I work), and my Corona use has been solely personal use. I will be sad when I no longer have access to this amazing renderer!
Indeed, Corona PLE would be highly appreciated by those who don't make money out of rendering.
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2014-10-07, 22:17:51
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Great pricing and licensing system, it is indeed a fair one.

I have to say that I find the prices a tiny bit over what I had in my head, that said, i don't think you are over pricing it at all, they are great prices, just that I though the final prices were to be like the promo prices hehehe.

I think the best mix for us is to have one Box license and use the SaaS license for the farm when is needed, anyways I'll talk with you when I have my farm published (too much work to have it publicly up and running).

I stand with the same question others have, ¿what is going to be the update/subs pricing for the Box license? because being in daily builds and having things up to date it's important to me.
Another question is regarding the licensing system.
I have my main office in home, two workstations, I'm am the one specialized in rendering and shading, so all the major work is done by me, it's great we are going to have a free UI license so things can be reviewed also in the other workstation, but will I be able to use my free node licenses in my farm? it is located in a different physical place and I connect to it via internet, so how is it going to work?
Also the licenses will be node locked or network floating ones? The latest is my preferred system this way if I change from one computer to another (from the workstation to my laptop) I can work with it without a problem, that is what I do with my Krakatoa license.
Those are my questions, and for sure count with my money at least one license and for my next project some SaaS licenses, but it's possible that I acquire 2 Box licenses, I have to decide it yet.

Congrats for that, you are great people I have to say, and I hope you stay that way for a lot of years, you do a great job and you deserver to be astonishingly succesful with your business model!

Cheers!

2014-10-07, 22:20:15
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1. Updates for box version should be free until 2.0 in my opinion, not time-based. That's not even logical.
Paid MONTHLY >> time-based
Paid ONCE >> time-independent

2. Let's say I already have 1.0 box version. I want to buy 2.0, how much gonna cost? Do you guys have a upgrade plan?

2014-10-07, 22:34:28
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Hello Guys, thanks a lot for all the questions and opinions. We do have answers to your questions and I will publish them tomorrow after I will get some sleep.
Until then keep posting questions and opinions. Thanks a lot everyone. Highly appreciated.
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2014-10-07, 22:37:48
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Hi. As a subscription costumer I'm allowed to install Max on 2 computers, as long as I only use one at a time. This way I have installed Max both at work and at home (stand alone - not network license). Very practical!

If I buy 1 Corona license, can I then install and use Corona on both machines (one at a time), or do I need to buy 2 licenses? Do you have another solution for this scenario?

PS - Network license is not an option, since I don't have access to my work server from home.

Looking forward to buy :)

2014-10-07, 22:43:39
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Can you please give more info on how the Farm License works? I don't understand what sharing revenue model means.
Also, can there be a way to have more render nodes per license? 3 seems a bit weak to me, 10+ seems more like it.

2014-10-07, 22:45:24
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reasonable price. And I will be switching immediately after implementation of volumetrics and texture baking.

2014-10-07, 22:49:15
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As Adam said, there are too many questions, so we will do a subsequent FAQ article tomorrow.

1. Updates for box version should be free until 2.0 in my opinion, not time-based. That's not even logical.
Paid MONTHLY >> time-based
Paid ONCE >> time-independent

Development does not work in a way that one week we decide to completely overhaul the software and create version 2.0. New features take much longer, and are added continuously.

What you are suggesting is the traditional model where we would be forced to develop features and keep them hidden from users, until enough of them are accumulated to release at once as "2.0", so users are compelled to pay. This is BULLSHIT and exactly what we are trying to avoid. We instead offer the possibility to either get all updates for small, steady payment (SAAS, subscription), or to not pay anything, and just buy 2.0 upgrade when it is released.
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2014-10-07, 23:26:23
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This is BULLSHIT

Easy. Now that's rude. You said "discuss" and that's what I'm doing.

2014-10-07, 23:33:29
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Yes, I am also discussing my opinions on general pricing models that would force us to purposefully defer development to get funding ;)
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2014-10-08, 00:16:22
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@aleeriza I don't hink Keymaster is saying that what you say is bullshit, I think what he is saying is that this type of model is bullshit, and I agree with him, usually features are progressively developed and companies hide them until they have enough features to justify a release (lately they don't accumulate too much or good features... they are a bit shameless) and then charge your for a 2.0

IMHO the new model proposed here is better, there are still some things in the air like the proposed renewal price at a point release or the subs price for Box customers, that is a very interesting point.

I also agree that a few more render nodes could be great, or at least a way to adding render nodes in a cheap way.

Anyway, they've done their numbers, I think they are pretty fair and good pricing, even when I noted my opinion on it, it's a personal feeling, but it still is fair, and they have to maintain development to achieve more speed, more features, more quality, and the've proved to all of us that they are very capable of doing that, and they've proved also that they are a fair trade company, they don't want to turn gold on us, but live and create, and this pricing model does that I think.

I also think that the SaaS price is a bit high, but once again, they have numbers and they've made me trust them, so if those are the numbers they nee to maintain a continuous development in such quality, speed and customer relationship, i think it's fair.

Cheers.

2014-10-08, 00:24:24
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I understand that, but I'm hoping the get bug fixes (not new features) even after 90 days.

Also, another question for F.A.Q (this is a common one though, not corona-specific) ;
How's license gonna work for situations like setting up new pc, reformatting, stolen pc/laptop etc?

2014-10-08, 00:57:53
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those 90 days were meant for new features. Bugfixes are... aargh, this is getting complicated, why cannot everyone just use SaaS?! :(
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2014-10-08, 01:27:39
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why cannot everyone just use SaaS?! :(

If you don't have regular customers you may have trouble about paying subscriptions. SaaS pretty good for well-known individuals, professionals and companies. But for guys like me (getting freelance jobs pretty irregularly) it's mostly a risky deal.

On the other hand I love to use my apps up-to-date like most of you. Soo.. :/

2014-10-08, 01:43:05
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but it is exactly the opposite! With box, you need to put all your money up front. You basically need to say "I am confident I will make enough money in next 2 years to pay off this investment". But with SaaS, you don't need to do that. You pay only for months where you actually have a job. You need to be sure about the next month, not next 2 years. You are free to cancel if you dont have any clients and resume once you get them - at least with our fair SaaS ;).
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2014-10-08, 01:46:44
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Hello there!

I have 7 PCs in my home render-farm, and planning to increase count to 10 (1 main PC + 9 render nodes). It not working as commercial render-farm. I am using it for my personal projects and for some commercial from time to time. So I want to ask, how much licenses I will need to buy to be able to use Corona on my PCs?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: 2014-10-08, 01:51:28 by dancem »

2014-10-08, 01:53:25
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you will need to buy 3 licences. You will then be able to run Corona on 12 computers at once, with at most 3 of them being workstations
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2014-10-08, 02:35:54
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Keymaster you have to think about the box license as a tool that you own.

There are times when you don't have a penny an you will get paid 90 days after you finish the job, this means that if you have the Box license you can work, but if you don't you can't and that is the risky part, that's why a bigger initial investment is preferred, because you own the tool, maybe it is not up to date because you don't have money for the subs, but you can work.

That is why I prefer the box license over SaaS, for my farm I may use the SaaS, but I need to have a minimum of one box license to work with peace of mind.

Anyway, why don't you include one year of support? The box license is more expensive than the SaaS, 1 year of SaaS is 300€, so it's cheaper than the box one, so keep the box users up to date during one year,after that ask for yearly subs or they can be locked with their version or pay the update in the next point release.

Thinkbox manages this pretty well, I have a yearly subs, paying it in one time is hard, so they divide my payment in 3, 6 or 12 months to help me, but they receive their payment and I'm up to date, if I don't pay, I can be left as I am, no bug fixes, no new features, or I can pay for an upgrade later wich is a bit more expensive than the subs, but I can do it whenever I want.

This is basically including the first subs year in the box license.

Hope this ideas helps a bit.

Cheers!
« Last Edit: 2014-10-08, 02:39:17 by juang3d »

2014-10-08, 02:39:24
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It seems there is a few 'glitches' to be worked around the payment to be fixed so it could benefit a wider range of users, or not..

However i wish to thank Keymaster and the others of Corona Team for the work they have done not only for making a incredible tool but also for trying their best on making it affordable and easy to get for most of us. I don't have deep pockets and was a bit scared about the price of Corona and these initial news are great for me and for most of us who use Corona i think.

Again, thanks guys!

2014-10-08, 02:48:04
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I liked! The price is fair! I'll pay for it, without question!
but... may I have the same "problem" that dancem... and that is a good point!
On the company I work, we have 10 computers... and exactly 3 users... ok... then I'll acquire 3 licenses and I get 12 render nodes... ok fine! nice!

But also I have on my home 5 machines counting with my laptop!...
I'm one user... this way looks like others big companies they sell to other big companies... like... pushing what you're not really need
I really really know that is not the case! and that is why we have this thread.
but maybe you can consider be more flexible about the render nodes... I don't know...
On this days HD, Ultra HD, 2k 4k... every day is more difficult to get the job done... in the other hands, machines is every time more cheaper...

That is just a thought...

I still like the news!!
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2014-10-08, 03:04:25
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There are times when you don't have a penny an you will get paid 90 days after you finish the job, this means that if you have the Box license you can work, but if you don't you can't and that is the risky part, that's why a bigger initial investment is preferred, because you own the tool, maybe it is not up to date because you don't have money for the subs, but you can work.

Well... instead of paying the box price you could set the money aside and use it paying saas later, or pay 1 year saas in advance... I understand the fear, but it is not an unsolvable problem ;)
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2014-10-08, 03:19:05
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you will need to buy 3 licences. You will then be able to run Corona on 12 computers at once, with at most 3 of them being workstations
So in my case, it will be 75 EURO for Corona per month, = 900 EURO per year (for personal/non-commercial use). Or 1350 EURO for the box versions (for year or two, before next upgrade)...
Thanks, but that is too high for me.
Sad news :(

2014-10-08, 03:58:50
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you will need to buy 3 licences. You will then be able to run Corona on 12 computers at once, with at most 3 of them being workstations
So in my case, it will be 75 EURO for Corona per month, = 900 EURO per year (for personal/non-commercial use). Or 1350 EURO for the box versions (for year or two, before next upgrade)...
Thanks, but that is too high for me.
Sad news :(

Yeeeaaaahhh...  not as cheap as I hoped when they said it will be very affordable. I thought they were going to actually really compete with Vray. We badly need to be able to buy individual (or bundles) or render nodes only at a reasonable price.  the 1-3 ratio gets awkward really quickly for most small - medium companies.

2014-10-08, 08:25:03
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THANKS keymaster not for price release  however its cool
but for ggx shader implementation

2014-10-08, 08:30:05
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you will need to buy 3 licences. You will then be able to run Corona on 12 computers at once, with at most 3 of them being workstations
So in my case, it will be 75 EURO for Corona per month, = 900 EURO per year (for personal/non-commercial use). Or 1350 EURO for the box versions (for year or two, before next upgrade)...
Thanks, but that is too high for me.
Sad news :(

You use 10 computers to render personal/ non-commercial stuff (what's the electricity bill like)?

Anyway, I personally think that this "fair SaaS" model is just awesome, it's f*ing 20 euro that's like a dinner for in a average restaurant, plus you get daily builds, that aren't just bugfixes etc. but you get major upgrades whenever they are ready. So you always use most recent technology (if development goes as good and fast how it was until now) AND it is fantastic way for continuous support for corona development.

And the moment it starts stagnating you can easily switch to box version until some news starts showing up.

However, for a small company there should be a possibility to buy some extra render nodes i guess.

2014-10-08, 08:30:33
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you will need to buy 3 licences. You will then be able to run Corona on 12 computers at once, with at most 3 of them being workstations
So in my case, it will be 75 EURO for Corona per month, = 900 EURO per year (for personal/non-commercial use). Or 1350 EURO for the box versions (for year or two, before next upgrade)...
Thanks, but that is too high for me.
Sad news :(
How much you would have to pay with v-ray? Can you calculate that? I do have a feeling that they offer 1 render node for free with you license. But we will look into individual nodes issue.
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2014-10-08, 08:57:53
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First of all thank you for releasing the licensing and pricing. For me it seems to be quite fair.
I like the idea of overthinking traditional licensing. I guess it will take some time until people get used to new ways.
Here in our company the SaaS System will work fine....even with the render nodes.
But maybe you should think of selling rendernodes bundles too. It would make the whole system more flexible without giving up the idea of your fair SaaS.

Now the only decision we have to make here  is...how many licences do we need ;)

greetz

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2014-10-08, 10:20:16
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I hope that price will be rather 200-250 Euro for Box license and 40-50 Euro for 1-year subscription.
Your prices are not bad - but 349 Euro is only for limited time...after this it will be over 400 Euro.
I hope You will think about 1 year support for BOX licenses:) Or You should give us more information about subscriptions - especially price :)
But i think that many people (me too) are happy with this price. It's good price but not very good (i think that BOX license for 349 EURO witth 1-year subscription for 50 Euro is good deal).

2014-10-08, 10:34:59
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I think prices should be simply "good" for both sides. If they get very good for users, they can go to bad for developers, and if they get very good for developers, they can go bad for users. Non the less, you can always buy Vray, right? :)

2014-10-08, 10:56:15
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I'm OK to pay for this new first version, but you told about these evolutions :

    Full Featured Interactive Rendering
    SSSR – Sub Surface Scattering Revolution
    GGX Microfacet Model
    New Corona Scatter
    New Blend Material
    New UHD Cache for Animations
    Speed improvements: approximately 25%

What about :
- A real region render as VRay Frame buffer
- Real caustics in the PT/HD mode, not with Bdir/VCM witch is a soooo long and noisy mode...

Maybe other developments, as I know ?
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2014-10-08, 11:14:34
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I think prices should be simply "good" for both sides. If they get very good for users, they can go to bad for developers, and if they get very good for developers, they can go bad for users. Non the less, you can always buy Vray, right? :)
Yes, i always ca buy Vray but my company already have many licenses of vray (especially for animation) and as i know Corona is not able to calculate fast GI for animation...That's reason why 2 software are able to live in one company - Vray for anims, and Corona for stills. My company probably will have no problem to pay 5-6 box licenses of Corona:) And for me (individual user of Corona making commercial jobs) price is not VERY GOOD just GOOD :) But i still hope about 1-year subscription (and maybe 2-3 updates in this 1 year subscription time).
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2014-10-08, 11:15:29
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Hi guys, I'm trying to think in a long term logic, and it just doesn´t add up. The pricing scheme seems quite short sighted in my opinion...

I've been using my render engine for the last 7 years, and I would be continuing to do it if Corona didn't show up. I'm talking about a 7 year period as an example of a long term professional relationship with a tool I use everyday. The licensing and pricing strategy you are proposing gives me these two options:

A - Fair Saas. Or in other words; the longer I use Corona Render, the more expensive it gets. Think about 7 years and do the math....
B - Box license. In order to cut costs in a long term, I have to put up with a crippled NO UPDATES version, for the next year? two years?... until the next major upgrade comes and pay again (hope at least you have a discount in mind...).

In this second case, there's another catch... I buy my box license in January and have 90 days of grace with updates. Any user that buys his license six months later will have a better and more improved version at the same price I paid...

In order to make it appealing for long term use, you're really going to have to nail it with the subscription price for the updates and a discount for the major upgrades.

Otherwise, I just don't see it guys... :(

2014-10-08, 11:19:06
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I think prices should be simply "good" for both sides. If they get very good for users, they can go to bad for developers, and if they get very good for developers, they can go bad for users.

True. Maintaining development, support and investing devtime in new host apps takes a considerable amount of time and money. Staying in business forces you to pay for a lot of things upfront.

The disappointment you see here is very probably fed by the free availability of the plugin for a long time and the continuous 'we won't hurt you' mantra, which was maybe repeated too often and led to naive assumptions.

Non the less, you can always buy Vray, right? :)

I'm not sure you're aware of this but once the people here become your customers, this kind of response is the last thing they'd like to read.

2014-10-08, 11:27:03
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I'm not sure you're aware of this but once the people here become your customers, this kind of response is the last thing they'd like to read.

They will never be my customers. I don't have anything to do with the company. I am just pointing out that considering other renderers on the market, even those almost no one uses (like Maxwell), Corona prices are VERY reasonable.

Given the performance and feature set Corona has, prices could have been easily set to match Vray. Less people would buy, but they would pay more, so in the end, it could end up being as profitable, but with significantly less people to support. I think current pricing actually shows that Corona staff doesn't just think about themselves, but us users as well. So i do not get why there are so many people complaining

2014-10-08, 11:35:29
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In this second case, there's another catch... I buy my box license in January and have 90 days of grace with updates. Any user that buys his license six months later will have a better and more improved version at the same price I paid...

I've been thinking about exact same thing! I too was wondering if it would be unfair for users who supported Corona by buying it earlier, when users who buy it for same price later get more polished version. There's something to that, but you also need to keep in mind that person, who bout Corona 3 months earlier, has been able to use it for those 3 months longer, prior to the second person. So the first person was able to use Corona to generate commercial profit for a longer time.

Same way, if person A buys Corona first, and person B a year later, then person B gets newer and more polished version, but person A was able to use Corona for entire year already, and generate profit using it.

2014-10-08, 11:39:48
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This topic was always going to create lively debate.

I am impressed that this conversation is being had out in the open. No other companies would be doing this, and the Corona team should be commended for this.

2014-10-08, 11:40:53
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This topic was always going to create lively debate.

I am impressed that this conversation is being had out in the open. No other companies would be doing this, and the Corona team should be commended for this.

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2014-10-08, 11:41:29
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Hi guys, I'm trying to think in a long term logic, and it just doesn´t add up. The pricing scheme seems quite short sighted in my opinion...

I've been using my render engine for the last 7 years, and I would be continuing to do it if Corona didn't show up. I'm talking about a 7 year period as an example of a long term professional relationship with a tool I use everyday. The licensing and pricing strategy you are proposing gives me these two options:

A - Fair Saas. Or in other words; the longer I use Corona Render, the more expensive it gets. Think about 7 years and do the math....
B - Box license. In order to cut costs in a long term, I have to put up with a crippled NO UPDATES version, for the next year? two years?... until the next major upgrade comes and pay again (hope at least you have a discount in mind...).

In this second case, there's another catch... I buy my box license in January and have 90 days of grace with updates. Any user that buys his license six months later will have a better and more improved version at the same price I paid...

In order to make it appealing for long term use, you're really going to have to nail it with the subscription price for the updates and a discount for the major upgrades.

Otherwise, I just don't see it guys... :(

in 7 years you won't pay for the same corona as you do now, you get always most recent updates etc.. And if you think that current version is good enough for you to go for years with it, then get box version if it sounds to you as better price/value ratio but why complain about not having updates.

I think it's pretty simple, it is a choice between having always most recent corona(fair SaaS) or having no restriction stable standard(box version) where the first choice is also much better for development.

If you would want non-restricted license also with continuous updates, then the development in order to profit would have to restrict major upgrades to corona to appear only in certain versions so that they motivate you to do another box buy and this would imho cripple the development process.

2014-10-08, 11:43:54
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I'm OK to pay for this new first version, but you told about these evolutions :

    Full Featured Interactive Rendering
    SSSR – Sub Surface Scattering Revolution
    GGX Microfacet Model
    New Corona Scatter
    New Blend Material
    New UHD Cache for Animations
    Speed improvements: approximately 25%

What about :
- A real region render as VRay Frame buffer
- Real caustics in the PT/HD mode, not with Bdir/VCM witch is a soooo long and noisy mode...

Maybe other developments, as I know ?
Thanks for your work...
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2014-10-08, 11:52:41
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Rawavalanche:
I dont think it's related to making profit...

Person B can still be making profit with another engine. Person A is screwed and stuck with an older version. I think updates should be free for Box licenses.

lacilaci:
In order to cut costs in a long term, Box license is the only way to go. But we all know how unpolished and rough most 1.0 versions are, and how much they evolve in subsequent months... So having no updates after the 90 days grace, makes this option very unnappealing.

I guess the team needs to clarify the subscription price to make it a viable option, although I still think major updates (at least) should be free.
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2014-10-08, 11:58:58
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For me Corona is the best solution for stills. Price is good. I'm employed in company and probably it will be no problem to buy 5-6 licenses or more for my boss because my company is making hundreds of renders (especially test renders to test some architectural solutions) and we prefer to do these tests by our employers rather than outsourcing it for other 3D companies.
Corona is great, simple and very good solution fo us. I suppose that biggest problem is about BOX license which will be delivered without updates (or without subscription). People are thinking in simple way : You are giving me software but without updates - thats mean that you don't care about me (customer) and about product. I know this way of thinking because i was betatester of few softwares. People want to pay little bit more (for example subscription) and want to have some updates :)
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2014-10-08, 12:04:54
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This is a good news, Ondra you do respect your promise about low price, thanks.

Just a question, I think most of us will get SaaS licences, but most of us will use Corona almost all the time. So we will have a lot of invoice to register, and this means time and cost. What about to have a SaaS licence for 6 and 12 months, maybe with a little discount too?

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2014-10-08, 12:35:20
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Alessandro: yes, this is planned


We are currently going through all the feedback (there is a LOT of it), and composing another article with FAQ
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2014-10-08, 12:52:14
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Hi,

I think that prices and licensing systems are fair for the 3ds max version but I just wanted to know about Corona Standalone, if the prices are going to be the same as for the 3dsmax version? If yes, will it be more feature complete before the release? Right now it really can't be used for commercial purposes. Also, if the Corona Standalone release is not made at the same time, will the 30 first days subscribers promotion be available?

Thanks again for the great work and the existence of this thread to have the possibility to discuss about the prices.

2014-10-08, 13:10:42
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Honestly, as far as the pricing goes, most of you will get your money back with the first project. So i don't think pros should be complaining.

There are some questions about hobby/personal license. I don't think i've ever heard of this. But as we're debating things in this thread, how do you think this could possibly work? Honest question.
How could Corona team know what the hell is personal license being used for?
It could send every render back home?
It could watermark every image, but it would have to be somewhere in the middle so that it can't be cropped out, how could you use that in a portfolio?
Or one should give Corona team access to PC via TeamViewer :D

As long as mental ray is being shipped with max there is no way boss man will cash out for Corona, even if it was half the price, he'd be happy with scanline. Hell, he'd be happy with nitrous viewport :D I've been using it just for my personal project, if you can call it so since it's not finished and by the looks of it i'll be happy to finish it by the end of the year :D (Quite simple, but time is always short)
Until i actually decide to go freelance or open my own studio, there is no rational justification for buying Corona, so personal license would be great, but honestly - i don't see it happening.

Some more question:
- Blender? Pricing, licensing, integration? Mainly in light of recent Autodesk subscription announcement. Max is nothing special, no reason not to switch to Blender, if Corona would work properly with it.
- Alpha bug reporters, discount? wink wink :D

2014-10-08, 13:25:12
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Pricing & ideas are great.

Will there be any discounts for alpha testers? :-D

2014-10-08, 13:27:04
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There are some questions about hobby/personal license. I don't think i've ever heard of this. But as we're debating things in this thread, how do you think this could possibly work? Honest question.
Haven't you heard about Splutterfish's brazil rio? It was fully functional version with only limitation on render size. I use it a lot and couldn't be happier. I really hope Corona team will have some similar offer, otherwise i'll have to go back to A6, because i can't justify to pay such money for hobby alone.
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2014-10-08, 13:31:32
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the discounts/free versions for testers are still planned, so romullus, you don't need to worry ;)
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2014-10-08, 13:39:05
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I really hope Corona team will have some similar offer, otherwise i'll have to go back to A6, because i can't justify to pay such money for hobby alone.

Aren't all alphas scheduled to stop working by the end of the year? I guess us hobbyists will have to say goodbye to Corona.
Now, about those MILA materials in mental ray... :D

2014-10-08, 13:42:23
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Just another question for FAQ:

Can 1 Corona license be installed on several versions of Max (i.e. 2012 & 2015) at the same time on the same computer, or do we need to buy 1 license for each version?

2014-10-08, 13:44:12
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Hi, I really love the Saas option with the continuous development, I was just wondering if it won't be hard for the plugin's and script  dev to follow and recompile each time?

2014-10-08, 14:34:14
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Another question. Does those prices incude taxes?

2014-10-08, 14:56:09
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I really hope Corona team will have some similar offer, otherwise i'll have to go back to A6, because i can't justify to pay such money for hobby alone.

Aren't all alphas scheduled to stop working by the end of the year? I guess us hobbyists will have to say goodbye to Corona.

I don't remember that someone mentioned, that the A6 will be disabled at the end of the year, only A7. Hope not as being more of a hobyist myself i was thinking of jumping back. 

2014-10-08, 15:04:07
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I really hope Corona team will have some similar offer, otherwise i'll have to go back to A6, because i can't justify to pay such money for hobby alone.

Aren't all alphas scheduled to stop working by the end of the year? I guess us hobbyists will have to say goodbye to Corona.


Do you think hobbies should be free ? I am asking in good faith :- ) It's one of the more interesting topics I picked up here, not wish to sideline discussion, just interests me a bit. Cheers
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Do you think hobbies should be free ? I am asking in good faith :- ) It's one of the more interesting topics I picked up here, not wish to sideline discussion, just interests me a bit. Cheers

I was hoping there would be a version that hobbyists could use, as hobbyists often tend to turn into paying customers later. I was guessing there would be a version with limited size output, no access to dailys, etc. Perhaps I'll enroll in a college so I can get the edu version! (although I'm far too old for a college)

2014-10-08, 15:42:24
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I really hope Corona team will have some similar offer, otherwise i'll have to go back to A6, because i can't justify to pay such money for hobby alone.

Aren't all alphas scheduled to stop working by the end of the year? I guess us hobbyists will have to say goodbye to Corona.


Do you think hobbies should be free ? I am asking in good faith :- ) It's one of the more interesting topics I picked up here, not wish to sideline discussion, just interests me a bit. Cheers

I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?) Correct me if I'm wrong but the only option to use 3ds Max legally for free is by using a student license and if you are a student you can get Corona really cheap. Or if you have acquired 3ds Max some other way you can still use Corona for 20-25 EUR/month.

I live in a quite poor country myself and of course I'd like everything cheap, but 20-25 EUR for my hobby per month is not something I would consider really high. For example my monthly pass for public transport costs 40% more. All my other hobbies and interests cost way more than Corona.
I think in the long run even a hobbyist can make profit with Corona.

For me the pricing seems reasonable(but I'm no expert) because Corona seems to be a high quality software with regular updates, so I would say that these guys deserve that much. And as others said, it is not really common for a company to discuss pricing.

Edit: Of course it would be great if Corona would have a limited free version but it is not easy to decide what limitations should be applied to a free version so I can understand why the developers did not go there yet.
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2014-10-08, 15:43:01
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Do you think hobbies should be free ? I am asking in good faith :- ) It's one of the more interesting topics I picked up here, not wish to sideline discussion, just interests me a bit. Cheers

I was hoping there would be a version that hobbyists could use, as hobbyists often tend to turn into paying customers later. I was guessing there would be a version with limited size output, no access to dailys, etc. Perhaps I'll enroll in a college so I can get the edu version! (although I'm far too old for a college)

I remember similar discussion when Unreal4 and CryEngine went to SaaS while no longer providing free version of the 'same' soft. But they kept the original (UDK3 & CE3) in free limbo (no support, no update, no commercial use, but functioning ).
Maybe this is some middle solution that works for all. But it does need limitations as no can can policy if you're actually using that for commercial purpose which isn't exactly fair to the team.


I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?)

Very good point :- ) Not only 3dsMax, but supposedly even 5-10 nodes purely for 'hobby' work. It's just dishonest.
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2014-10-08, 15:45:18
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I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?)

I have six copies at work, all with home use licenses, which my company pays for (floating network licenses). I don't pay for max.

Please don't imply I am a pirate or assume I'm doing "commercial work" with it.

2014-10-08, 15:47:27
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Do you think hobbies should be free ? I am asking in good faith :- ) It's one of the more interesting topics I picked up here, not wish to sideline discussion, just interests me a bit. Cheers

I agree, it's an interesting and complicated topic.
On one hand you're using a product to create pretty pictures / art and not making any money out of it.
On the other hand you're using a product in which people invested time, money, knowledge and hard work. Why should they care how i use it.
If i use a guitar to create pretty melodies / art, i'm definitely not getting it for free, even if it's body is shaped to spell "Gibson" :)

And again, how could anybody control that it's really used for personal use only? Even with suggested limited render size, how big? 800×600? This sounds like something small enough to be useless in commercial purposes. But in all other purposes as well.

To answer your question - i don't know :) I guess it would be nice if ALL hobbies would be free, in a perfect world :)

With all that said, i think pricing is fair, there is no room for complaints, and the moment i start making money rendering on my own i will definitely buy Corona.

(Whispers: it still would be nice to have personal license like the one romullus speaks of :D )

2014-10-08, 15:52:08
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I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?)

I have six copies at work, all with home use licenses, which my company pays for (floating network licenses). I don't pay for max.

Please don't imply I am a pirate or assume I'm doing "commercial work" with it.

My next sentence started with "Correct me if I'm wrong.." because I'm not very knowledgeable about 3ds Max licensing options. You did correct me, thank you. Now I understand how can someone use 3ds Max legally without paying. 
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Thanks Blank, nice reply :- )

I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?)

I have six copies at work, all with home use licenses, which my company pays for (floating network licenses). I don't pay for max.


Is perhaps out of reach to ask your company to pay for home licence of Corona so you can improve yourself ? Or perhaps Corona will go for network licence as well, I don't know, that would let you travel same way as with 3dsMax.
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Is perhaps out of reach to ask your company to pay for home licence of Corona so you can improve yourself ? Or perhaps Corona will go for network licence as well, I don't know, that would let you travel same way as with 3dsMax.

No chance of that. we have a purely mentalRay workflow. I have asked several times. We are already debating cutting the number of Max seats due to Autodesk's price hikes.

Nothing would make me happier than buying Corona at work, but I'd have to retrain the staff and it would cut into development time.

AnnieC, my tone might have sounded angry, it wasn't, and apologies if my reply seemed brief. I'm having a horribly busy day full of system problems.

2014-10-08, 15:57:46
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I think the pricing is really good. The SaaS license(not the promo) costs about 7 pack of cigarettes, at least here in Hungary, and thats for a month!
That's silly if you think that you get a really powerful tool for this, with continoous updates. And I'm the stubborn kind of guy who love to own things, but with
Corona I see the whole SaaS in a very different light. Ohh, and I can earn money with this tool to spend it on hobbies. :)

Anyway hobbies can be pricey things, think about photography, traveling, go to swim, painting, somethimes a brush cost the same (or more) than 1 month Corona.
But I love to do my hobbies, so I'm happy to spend money on them.

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You use 10 computers to render personal/ non-commercial stuff (what's the electricity bill like)?
1 PC is taking 180W per hour, while it in render. I am rendering not often, so there not so much to pay for electricity. I bought most of  the PCs used, on local market, so they are cheaper than Corona box license :)

How much you would have to pay with v-ray? Can you calculate that? I do have a feeling that they offer 1 render node for free with you license.
Yeah, Vray have higher prices. But it is powerful instrument with years of expirience. It can be used for any tasks, it have tons of the tweaks, very flexible, and can render as fast as nobody can render. I am using Vray for the years. Vray 3.0 with Embree support it blazing fast on Intel CPUs.
With such prices on Corona I am not so interested in it. Vray seems to be more interesting solution in my case.
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2014-10-08, 16:11:32
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Is perhaps out of reach to ask your company to pay for home licence of Corona so you can improve yourself ? Or perhaps Corona will go for network licence as well, I don't know, that would let you travel same way as with 3dsMax.

No chance of that. we have a purely mentalRay workflow. I have asked several times. We are already debating cutting the number of Max seats due to Autodesk's price hikes.

Nothing would make me happier than buying Corona at work, but I'd have to retrain the staff and it would cut into development time.

AnnieC, my tone might have sounded angry, it wasn't, and apologies if my reply seemed brief. I'm having a horribly busy day full of system problems.

I see. While I absolutely understand the wish for free stuff, you have to understand it's not the norm to expect just because few software houses do it when you don't know what's behind it. Zbrush does that for example, but it's funded by milionaire privately, and has been in red numbers always, they can afford it, some can too, but most companies can't. The approach seems to have adjusted the mentality for most that if you're not making money, you don't need to pay, but that's still outside of reality for most businesses. You can't fault the devs for wishing to sell what they've put the time behind. Doing opposite would be nice( or even crazy) gesture, but, they should not feel ashamed to not conform to this thinking. Nothing is free and the purpose of use doesn't matter in the end.
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2014-10-08, 16:14:50
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All I did was express my wish that there was a version that I would be able to use and that I will be sad when my time with Corona comes to an end.

Is that a crime?

2014-10-08, 16:16:31
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All I did was express my wish that there was a version that I would be able to use and that I will be sad when my time with Corona comes to an end.

Is that a crime?

No, and no one puts that against you, I think you take it too personally, neither me nor Annie had no intention of doing opposite. But since it's popular notion in the thread I felt I could also offer counter perspective ?
After all it's discussion about prices, from all sides, not just wishes :- )
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AnnieC, my tone might have sounded angry, it wasn't, and apologies if my reply seemed brief. I'm having a horribly busy day full of system problems.

No problem, hope you can solve the problems.

Back on topic:
I think the developers are reasonable people and they seem to care about their users so if they can find a way to make even better offers they probably will.


2014-10-08, 16:26:35
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You are both right. Apologies. I think I'm having a bad day.

2014-10-08, 16:27:51
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I've got an hobby. That's my Ducati. Believe me, they did't give it to me for free. And no discount... ;)

Btw, maybe edu licence should be more "elastic", but the question is how many "students" will not use their licence for profits? And, is not a personal profit to learn a software? If it is really a hobby, Beta6 should be sufficent, or not?

Of course, it's just my humble opinion.

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2014-10-08, 16:38:35
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I don't really understand why so many hobbyists are complaining about Corona pricing if they can afford 3ds Max.. (or can they..?)
As hobbyist, even if I cannot afford 3dsmax licence, I am trying to pay for licenses, and I will be glad to pay for Corona to support it development and be able to use daily builds. I can spend on Corona for my little render farm near 480 EURO per year, but not 1350 EURO. Yes, I can buy ONE license to use Corona on some of my PCs, but then Corona will be useless for me, as it will be slower that any other DR or Network Render on my home farm.
So instead to pay 480 EURO I will pay 0 EURO and use other renderer. That how it works :(


2014-10-08, 16:45:36
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Yes, or you can have one (1) work in a year and take for this 1K euro so you have to pay just 350...
Just a curiosity, you have a little renderfarm, how does it cost to buy it and maintain it?

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2014-10-08, 16:47:46
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I believe they might compromise on the Node policy a bit, I think that could be slightly better too. But on other hand, you presented a very outlier's scenario which is hard to think of when the licence needs to cater correctly and equally to mass majority.
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We also understand that some people just don’t want SaaS at any cost. Well so even for you we have the traditional Box Model. You can buy the licence once and have it forever. You can sell it or do whatever you want. It is yours. Forever.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first software program that you can sell. This is a statement I like!
Do not try this with Autodesk or Microsoft or whatever programs.......

2014-10-08, 17:16:20
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what does corona do?

it enables you to produce kick-ass renderings without tweaking numbers all day.
That should be worth the money.

Show some respect to a genius developer like Ondra and his Team.
That's the minimum you can do.


2014-10-08, 17:20:23
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We also understand that some people just don’t want SaaS at any cost. Well so even for you we have the traditional Box Model. You can buy the licence once and have it forever. You can sell it or do whatever you want. It is yours. Forever.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first software program that you can sell. This is a statement I like!
Do not try this with Autodesk or Microsoft or whatever programs.......

In EU you can sell anything that you bought.

2014-10-08, 17:22:46
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Yes, or you can have one (1) work in a year and take for this 1K euro so you have to pay just 350...
I am not using Corona in commercial projects. And I don't have work in this direction (I am working as programmer, and need to pay for other equipment and software, so there no much left for hobby).

Just a curiosity, you have a little renderfarm, how does it cost to buy it and maintain it?
I had spent $2500 for two years to buy 5 used PCs (i7-2600K, 2700K, 16Gb RAM) There no videocards and no HDDs (diskless boot). This year, I had to spent additional $650 for rackmount and cases for them (PCs simply layed on the shelfs before). Also I wish to add three more PCs, to fill rackmount completely, but maybe will do it next year.
My two main PCs cost much more, but they used for other tasks, so I had to upgrade them every year.

2014-10-08, 17:25:04
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We also understand that some people just don’t want SaaS at any cost. Well so even for you we have the traditional Box Model. You can buy the licence once and have it forever. You can sell it or do whatever you want. It is yours. Forever.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first software program that you can sell. This is a statement I like!
Do not try this with Autodesk or Microsoft or whatever programs.......

In EU you can sell anything that you bought.

Yep, one of the better EU court rulings :- )

But because it's from EU's will the person inheriting licence will get support issues, the companies behave like you expect them to.
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Dancem:

So you are willing to invest thousands of dollars into your hobby, but you can't afford Corona for a bunch of hundreds of euros? You can just buy one seat. Since it's your hobby, i am not really sure why you need to DR on 10 computers at once. I would understand it in commercial environment, where you have some clients with requests and some deadlines, but since you say it's a hobby, then there should not be much of a need for such extremes as rendering on 10 computers at once. Electricity bills of those computers rendering for a bunch of days each month would probably easily grow over the price of SaaS licence.

2014-10-08, 18:00:30
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So you are willing to invest thousands of dollars into your hobby
Yes, near $3000 (2400 EURO) per three years, and that equipment will work three or five years more, without additional charges. So it is like near 500 EURO per year for 10 PCs, before they all burn.
but you can't afford Corona for a bunch of hundreds of euros?
Thousand of euros. I will need three Corona licenes for all PCs, 1350 EURO with box versions (for year or two, before next Corona upgrade), or 900 EURO per year.
You can just buy one seat. Since it's your hobby, i am not really sure why you need to DR on 10 computers at once. I would understand it in commercial environment, where you have some clients with requests and some deadlines, but since you say it's a hobby, then there should not be much of a need for such extremes as rendering on 10 computers at once.
Agreed. But when my render-farm will be ready, I will able to search for some work in that direction (I hope so :) ) With one seat it is simple money waste, if you have little farm at home. There are other renders, that can be used on render-farm, and they will be much faster  on 10 PCs, than Corona on one (or three) seats.
Electricity bills of those computers rendering for a bunch of days each month would probably easily grow over the price of SaaS licence.
$2-3 per render day, 24 hours of render.

2014-10-08, 18:01:04
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Not to spill the beans guys.... If I'm not mistaken an Octane render licence is 459€ for 2.xx with Max integration, and regular updates...

That's the same price as Corona with a Box license (but Octane has updates), or 18 months with "Fair" Saas license (but Octane is yours to keep forever). Not to mention that Octane has got a million features that Corona doesn't nor will have in the near future.

I'm sorry but it just doesn't add up. From a long term perspective this pricing scheme just doesn´t work. I'm afraid that the "fair price" and "affordable" flag was raised too many times and some of us are now dissapointed.

2014-10-08, 19:08:24
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Not to spill the beans guys.... If I'm not mistaken an Octane render licence is 459€ for 2.xx with Max integration, and regular updates...

That's the same price as Corona with a Box license (but Octane has updates), or 18 months with "Fair" Saas license (but Octane is yours to keep forever). Not to mention that Octane has got a million features that Corona doesn't nor will have in the near future.

I'm sorry but it just doesn't add up. From a long term perspective this pricing scheme just doesn´t work. I'm afraid that the "fair price" and "affordable" flag was raised too many times and some of us are now dissapointed.

But this is where a little problem appears, what corona devs seem to want to avoid. And that is, to have to select which features get implemented/updated as a free update and which to keep for another "major" release to get you to again buy the full license as an upgrade.

So, the "fair SaaS" model is here a standard mothly payment for any update/upgrade and you get it the moment it is ready no matter what.

And the "box" is just that if you feel you're good for a year or longer with the feature set already implemented and believe that you won't need some new stuff and/or want to have the software without restrictions.

Well that is, if I understood correctly that article :D

2014-10-08, 19:26:40
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My main concern is the render node amount. Our company is on a full Mental Ray workflow. Like others have said, as long as it ships with max, Corona might just have to be a dream. We have a smallish medium sized farm and getting enough corona licenses to fill is just not cost effective enough when we already have MR included. Hope to see a more affordable node system in the future!
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2014-10-08, 19:41:40
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I think there is a lot of movement here, and since a few posts we are walking in circles, I propose that we let some time to the team to explain the different things like the Box subscription and such things, and let's see what they say, what do you think?

Cheers!

2014-10-08, 19:57:56
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I think there is a lot of movement here, and since a few posts we are walking in circles, I propose that we let some time to the team to explain the different things like the Box subscription and such things, and let's see what they say, what do you think?

Cheers!

Yep, and on that note. My personal opinion there should not be any box model here. There should be their SaaS model and expansion of nodes (like standard 3 nodes plus extra 6 nodes for $$(to have a complete of 10 including workstation) and 14 extra nodes for $$ and if you need more and then price per node or share revenue model)

The way I see it is that the box model is for somebody who actually believes that current version is enough for them "forever" and that is just delusional.. maybe in a world without a competition.

I want to see constant push forward in corona, just like it did until now. You can really see every month or so after you get that update that somebody has been working hard on it...

I don't want bullshit cosmetic updates I don't want to pay monthly for something I don't care about.

But yes, this is just my own personal view on this... :)

2014-10-08, 20:03:37
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Hi guys, as I wrote on facebook earlier, we really like that we have started discussion and it is interesting to read your opinions and suggestions.
We went through the points raised here, fb and emails and we made conclusions which we would like to present probably at some point tomorrow.
I just want to let everyone know, that we read every post and that we are already sadly aware that we cannot make everyone happy. It is not possible.
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2014-10-08, 20:15:40
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Hi guys, as I wrote on facebook earlier, we really like that we have started discussion and it is interesting to read your opinions and suggestions.
We went through the points raised here, fb and emails and we made conclusions which we would like to present probably at some point tomorrow.
I just want to let everyone know, that we read every post and that we are already sadly aware that we cannot make everyone happy. It is not possible.

You will never make everybody happy! Good luck though, this is a product that deserves to do well.

2014-10-08, 21:16:32
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Hi guys, as I wrote on facebook earlier, we really like that we have started discussion and it is interesting to read your opinions and suggestions.
We went through the points raised here, fb and emails and we made conclusions which we would like to present probably at some point tomorrow.
I just want to let everyone know, that we read every post and that we are already sadly aware that we cannot make everyone happy. It is not possible.

That's for sure Adam, that is impossible, but it's great that you are concerned about this, you are talking about this and you are thinking in solutions and options :)

Cheers.

2014-10-08, 21:29:56
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This is an interesting topic for me to really think about. I use MAX and Corona at work and at home, but the home side is more hobby as I don't freelance very often, even though I'd like to.

For me, I think the box method is best, as paying one price up front is fine. To be honest, if we are all already producing such terrific work with what Corona provides, I don't forsee needing to constantly update for a few new tidbits here and there. The same goes for any other software. Given what is to be included in the official sales version release, I can't imagine what more I'd need to produce great work. A hobby version with, lets say, limitations on output resolution and a few other things would be great for my home use. You guys already have an awesome product. Adding the interactive rendering, SSSR, GGX and small things now is great, and I can't honestly see what else I'd need. I don't do animation (only archviz), so in my mind only a few other things would make Corona completely dominate everything else (material presets, faster calculation methods for mats/lighting, etc).

The idea of a small subscription for updates in addition to the box payment is also great. I'd be willing to pay more for some upgrades when I feel they are necessary or would enhance my work.  I am quite content with what we have, so I would think I could pay more later down the road for any monumental improvements as long as I can keep producing what I already do with what is available now. Anything that Corona doesn't do can be covered by 3rd party plugins, bare new materials/maps and implementation of new/better GI solutions and whatnot. The biggest thing that is worth the money in my eyes is speed; but half of that is attributed to the software while the other half is my hardware.

I guess what I really want to ask is what would make it worth it for me to do one payment method over the other? How many additional features can be added over time that would make me want to use one over the other? Do you have a long term plan or idea of what more Corona can do in the next few years? I feel like at some point the software, and this goes for nearly any software, can peak and the only improvements would then be on the code side in terms of performance.

So many things to consider in the next couple of months. As an aside, are you guys worried about piracy? Let's face it, someone is going to want to crack Corona once it goes into pay mode.

2014-10-09, 00:34:45
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I think the price is very good considering how much Vray costs. I hope Corona begins to catch on, and see this turn into a global success.


2014-10-09, 02:41:53
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First congrats to the Corona team for this great next step and all the effort in try to make it as affordable as possible, yes you will never make everybody happy, it is just the size of the beast really.
I am already in  Adobe CC and soon I'll need to start with Autodesk rental, yes some people does not like it, but for my freelancing it works. The Saas option is not strange to me and I feel is the option that I will take.
With all that said, I think the only problem (if we can call it that way) with the Box model, is the "feel" of lack of support, I know that Corona team didn't meant to do this, but invest in a software and know that after pay you are in your own, it feel not right.  I do understand the points, but I also think that maybe because of the difference type of approach SaaS and box, maybe they can just not coexist together in a product.  Maybe this is why Adobe cut everything and just keep CC, and that's why Autodesk is cancelling the updates and moving to a rental style.  Maybe the only way to make everybody happy would be a Box model, with constant updates and areate at the moment of a next realease, this would be weird because at the same time you have a very generous Saas model, and the developers will have to bite the bullet to make everybody happy?  think about it

Regarding renders nodes, free is always good, but I think that 3 render nodes is very generous, VRay give you one, Cinema 4D give you 3 and so on. More render nodes I would not call it Hobby, come on guys be honest, there is a lot of work developing a software, let us not abuse, this team is generous enough in spend all this time to make most of us happy, they need to make a living, or at least get paid for all the time invested in this software.
and since I am ready the corona Blog always it mentioned a free version for Hobby or people that can't pay no need to complain so much.
my two cents, or equivalent currency :p
 

2014-10-09, 07:51:36
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The price is nice. Except only 3 render nodes per license.

If we have only one workstation and 20 render nodes (we're not a commercial render farm) we have to buy 5 workstation licenses for rendernodes only. It is very strange policy. I think it will be really handy to have a rendernode license pack (if it is have to be not free for some reasons). Buying full workstation licenses seems not good in that case.

2014-10-09, 08:53:51
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Depends on how you look at it. It may very well be that workstation licence is simply cheap. Consider it that if you pay 20 EUR for monthly SaaS, then workstation licence costs 5 EUR, and 3 rendernodes also cost 5 EUR each. And workstation licence can be used as node licence as well. It's not like you are buying more expensive workstation licence that you don't need. You are buying ONLY rendernone licences, but as a bonus, one licence from each batch can be used as workstation one.

Or in other words, if there were rendernode licences only, they would probably cost exactly the same, just without possibility to use one of them as workstation when needed.

2014-10-09, 09:01:26
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I fall into the camp that refuses to rent software.So the box version would have been the only option of interest to me.
But your box support ( 90 days ) is the worst  I've ever seen on any piece of software, compare it to octane, maxwell , vray for example.

Hope you sort it out.
It's all largely irrelevant to me at the moment as I'm not a max user. Corona is just something I've had my eye on for a while hoping you would do a modo version.Must admit that your current box policy has killed my interest.
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2014-10-09, 09:24:31
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But your box support ( 90 days ) is the worst

I could be wrong, but "You will get free upgrades just for 90 days." Upgrades, as in new features that are being developed, not that you'll loose all support and bugs will no longer be fixed. So coronas box is also better then others, you get new features for 90 days, then you'll have to wait for next version, you know, like with EVERY OTHER PEACE OF SOFTWARE.
Correct me if i'm wrong, that is how i got it.

2014-10-09, 09:31:18
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As soon as I don't even look at SaaS for me every node will cost 112 Euros (450/4) without discount. Seems to be not so cheap. Even if rendernodes needs license to be bought I see no reason to pay so much for node license.

We're (and many more) discontinued to use V-Ray for that terrible new pricing policy with render nodes. And this bad move is rising at great Corona horizon now. Sad...
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All the other go through versions , maxwell for example went from 2 - 2.7 over a 3 year period even at 2.7 new features were added (grass).
I bought octane years ago and that had many many updated before it hit 2.0 which has now hit 2.1 with new updates .

So yes 90 days is very bad.Bug support after the 90 days has not been clarified at all on how they would proceed with issues of that ilk.

Anyway best of luck with it all .
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2014-10-09, 09:42:39
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One more question. I see no answer about type of license. Is it floating, node-locked or some other type?

2014-10-09, 11:38:26
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I hope there will be possibility to switch the license between the computers, or at least installing on 2 computers which is standard policy in other softwares (at work or at home).

2014-10-09, 14:46:59
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Hey guys. Thanks for the questions. As I already wrote some pages back, I am writing follow up article with answers to your questions. It should be online a bit later today.
Some stuff were probably not explained in good way. So hopefully new article will clear things up.
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2014-10-09, 16:18:31
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The question also applies to the choice of purchase option license. IES lights will also make noise in the final version or fix in the updates?))))

2014-10-09, 16:27:52
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Hey guys. Thanks for the questions. As I already wrote some pages back, I am writing follow up article with answers to your questions. It should be online a bit later today.
Some stuff were probably not explained in good way. So hopefully new article will clear things up.

Thanks Adam for taking the time to clarify all the questions that have been raised. Really looking forward to read your article. It's very considerate from your part to listen to the users and act accordingly. Thanks again.

2014-10-09, 17:28:41
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No problem. We are trying. I just finished article. It is probably and unfortunately the longest post ever trying to cover almost every possible questions regarding licenses and prices.
To technical questions. If there is a bug with IES and if it was reported, I am pretty sure, that it is on Ondrej's todo bug fix list. (report it here corona-renderer.com/bugs)

 Yesterday I did a couple of calls over skype and I have discussed opinions from both sides about box, saas, nodes, etc. I am just trying to find golden ratio which will fit most of the users. I am aware I cannot make everyone happy, but I have tried to adjust things for every license type and also for people demanding something for "free".

I am wondering if I should post it today, or better tomorrow, as I have to do couple of spell checks, some graphics to explain our intentions better. etc. I would like to get very wide audience
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2014-10-09, 17:31:45
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Thanks for the effort Adam, this proves your (the team) true and clean willing to be clear and fair in everything.

It is not posted yet, right? Because I still see the C4D post.

Cheers.

2014-10-09, 17:33:36
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No problem. We are trying. I just finished article. It is probably and unfortunately the longest post ever trying to cover almost every possible questions regarding licenses and prices.
To technical questions. If there is a bug with IES and if it was reported, I am pretty sure, that it is on Ondrej's todo bug fix list. (report it here corona-renderer.com/bugs)

 Yesterday I did a couple of calls over skype and I have discussed opinions from both sides about box, saas, nodes, etc. I am just trying to find golden ratio which will fit most of the users. I am aware I cannot make everyone happy, but I have tried to adjust things for every license type and also for people demanding something for "free".

I am wondering if I should post it today, or better tomorrow, as I have to do couple of spell checks, some graphics to explain our intentions better. etc. I would like to get very wide audience

Sleep on it and further refine it tomorrow if need be. Better to get it right than add to the confusion :)

2014-10-09, 17:34:59
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It's always best to sleep on it if in doubt, and read it a few more times.

2014-10-09, 17:39:52
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The excessive noise with IES lights was recently fixed. But I would still appreciate if you could provide us a scene with prime example of the problem, to test that the bugfix really works ;)
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2014-10-09, 18:44:06
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The excessive noise with IES lights was recently fixed. But I would still appreciate if you could provide us a scene with prime example of the problem, to test that the bugfix really works ;)

Was fix this done in a daily build after v7.1 or before?
Vray who?

2014-10-09, 18:45:59
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Hi, in my opinión i will prefer the box edition its life time, but make a demo too on the release date of 1.0 no matter if its locked to 10 px to 10 px, must of the companies they sell out first the update and the demo it takes like more time to get out and its frustrating because you cant decide if you want it to buy now or maybe wait to another big update.

And someone can tell me if theres gonna be a displacement New  function like adaptiveness displacement i cant see it   on the list.

2014-10-09, 21:53:32
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Adam, are you going to post it today?

Cheers.

2014-10-09, 22:36:44
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Adam, are you going to post it today?

Cheers.

Hey not anymore, tomorrow. But it is ready.
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2014-10-09, 23:13:40
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Great, I'll be watching! hehehe

Cheers.

2014-10-10, 16:12:07
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it is coming.... soon ;)
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2014-10-10, 16:14:28
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Who do I bill for a new F5 key?


2014-10-10, 16:40:07
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2014-10-10, 16:57:40
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isn't it reasonable to add the cost of subscription to any box license and problem solved? Another 99eu to the total price isn't that much altogether compared to other rendering engines.

2014-10-10, 16:59:18
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isn't it reasonable to add the cost of subscription to any box license and problem solved? Another 99eu to the total price isn't that much altogether compared to other rendering engines.

You mean mentally by users or for us?
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2014-10-10, 17:05:54
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It's pretty cheap for users i think, the saas model price is affordable for anyone i think.

box license costs 349/449 eu with 3 render nodes when vray license with 5 render nodes costs 1500eu :|
if someone really wants box edition i bet he can afford another 99eu.

2014-10-10, 17:08:46
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isn't it reasonable to add the cost of subscription to any box license and problem solved? Another 99eu to the total price isn't that much altogether compared to other rendering engines.

I guess the intention is to leave you a choice instead of forcing you to buy into it like other companies do.

I think this is a very reasonable approach now, thanks for having a second thought on some things. I'm sure some people still want to be able to buy render licenses only, but with the 1+10 SaaS pack this is now at least more feasible than it was before.

One thing that I really like (depending on how you solve it, of course) is the floating license in SaaS. In an ideal world, it should be a matter of seconds to check out a license on one PC and carry it over to another one. Wonder what you guys will come up with.

2014-10-10, 17:10:11
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isn't it reasonable to add the cost of subscription to any box license and problem solved? Another 99eu to the total price isn't that much altogether compared to other rendering engines.

I guess the intention is to leave you a choice instead of forcing you to buy into it like other companies do.

I think this is a very reasonable approach now, thanks for having a second thought on some things. I'm sure some people still want to be able to buy render licenses only, but with the 1+10 SaaS pack this is now at least more feasible than it was before.

One thing that I really like (depending on how you solve it, of course) is the floating license in SaaS. In an ideal world, it should be a matter of seconds to check out a license on one PC and carry it over to another one. Wonder what you guys will come up with.

It could be easy as login into email. Name / password and you set. You could probably even keep autofil option on.
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2014-10-10, 17:12:43
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It's pretty cheap for users i think, the saas model price is affordable for anyone i think.

box license costs 349/449 eu with 3 render nodes when vray license with 5 render nodes costs 1500eu :|
if someone really wants box edition i bet he can afford another 99eu.
We think it is cheap to if you will calculate it, but some people think opposite
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2014-10-10, 17:23:38
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It could be easy as login into email. Name / password and you set. You could probably even keep autofil option on.

Sounds good... On a second thought, how would you activate a license (or 10) on a render farm without internet connection? Not easy to come up with a system that works for everyone I guess.

2014-10-10, 17:23:55
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Note: If there is still no internet connection for couple of days, there might be end of civilization anyway, so go home and spend it with your family or just call your internet provider.
Adam, I just laughed my a$$ on the floor...

Back to topic. You guys won't satisfy everyone, but I think very fair type of licencing atm after the changes, comparing to other ones on the market. I can't wait to heart 1.0 for C4D.
Thanks

2014-10-10, 17:34:25
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It could be easy as login into email. Name / password and you set. You could probably even keep autofil option on.

Sounds good... On a second thought, how would you activate a license (or 10) on a render farm without internet connection? Not easy to come up with a system that works for everyone I guess.
We have a tool for that for big render farms. We already activated more than 800 machines on one go
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2014-10-10, 17:34:41
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It could be easy as login into email. Name / password and you set. You could probably even keep autofil option on.

It could also be web based like octane render, (sorry for those without internet) 3 years or so now and octane render still has not been cracked.
I would hate to see Corona Pirated!
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2014-10-10, 17:35:57
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Note: If there is still no internet connection for couple of days, there might be end of civilization anyway, so go home and spend it with your family or just call your internet provider.
Adam, I just laughed my a$$ on the floor...

Back to topic. You guys won't satisfy everyone, but I think very fair type of licencing atm after the changes, comparing to other ones on the market. I can't wait to heart 1.0 for C4D.
Thanks

Well, you cannot imagine how tiring it was to write this article and how much time we have spent on iterations with Ondra. So this one joke we left, just to see, if people will really read all of that.

C4D will come next year ;)
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2014-10-10, 17:39:19
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Good news! I will buy Fair SaaS (1ws + 3nodes, with year subscription, when it will be availiable), and will be able to buy when needed additional Fair SaaS (1ws + 5nodes) for my render-farm, if there will be commercial work or long personal renders.
So for my 10 PCs it will be 25 EURO per month (300 EURO per year), and additional 30 EURO per month, for a few months, if I have work with "full load", and with ability to cancel this additional subscription any time.
I am happy now :)




2014-10-10, 17:39:57
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Good news! I will buy Fair SaaS (1ws + 3nodes, with year subscription, when it will be availiable), and will be able to buy when needed additional Fair SaaS (1ws + 5nodes) for my render-farm, if there will be commercial work or long personal renders.
So for my 10 PCs it will be 25 EURO per month (300 EURO per year), and additional 30 EURO per month, for a few months, if I have work with "full load", and with ability to cancel this additional subscription any time.
I am happy now :)
Great, I am happy too
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2014-10-10, 17:44:36
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C4D will come next year ;)
Can you confirm any updates for c4d before 1.0? Atm I'm in middle of 3 projects with Corona instead of Vray, but I'm struggling with time/efficiency vs. time/AA issues (fireflies etc.)
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Good news! I will buy Fair SaaS (1ws + 3 nodes, with year subscription, when it will be available), and will be able to buy when needed additional Fair SaaS (1ws + 5 nodes) for my render-farm, if there will be commercial work or long personal renders.
+for those running companies can lower tax cost with registering invoice every month...thats actually lowering SaaS price to some extend.

Anyway great post, lot of good work guys. I see a bright future for Corona!

2014-10-10, 17:50:40
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Very nice part 2 guys i like Saas and Box especially the Box license subscription : 99euros/year for updates and major builds is really attractive !
Goodbye 90 days rip !


2014-10-10, 17:52:16
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Great news and improvements. Only wish not fulfilled was home+work use with 1 Box + subscription. Couldn't this be part of the subscription package like AutoDesk does?

Looking forward to buy

2014-10-10, 17:53:05
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C4D will come next year ;)
Can you confirm any updates for c4d before 1.0? Atm I'm in middle of 3 projects with Corona instead of Vray, but I'm struggling with time/efficiency vs. time/AA issues (fireflies etc.)
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Good news! I will buy Fair SaaS (1ws + 3 nodes, with year subscription, when it will be available), and will be able to buy when needed additional Fair SaaS (1ws + 5 nodes) for my render-farm, if there will be commercial work or long personal renders.
+for those running companies can lower tax cost with registering invoice every month...thats actually lowering SaaS price to some extend.

Anyway great post, lot of good work guys. I see a bright future for Corona!

yes, there will still be probably multiple C4D updates before a commercial release.
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2014-10-10, 17:57:30
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C4D will come next year ;)
Can you confirm any updates for c4d before 1.0? Atm I'm in middle of 3 projects with Corona instead of Vray, but I'm struggling with time/efficiency vs. time/AA issues (fireflies etc.)
Code: [Select]
Good news! I will buy Fair SaaS (1ws + 3 nodes, with year subscription, when it will be available), and will be able to buy when needed additional Fair SaaS (1ws + 5 nodes) for my render-farm, if there will be commercial work or long personal renders.
+for those running companies can lower tax cost with registering invoice every month...thats actually lowering SaaS price to some extend.

Anyway great post, lot of good work guys. I see a bright future for Corona!
New updates in C4D will come next year I am afraid. Alpha 1.1 is really for the brave. It is very first alpha.
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2014-10-10, 18:11:42
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Hi i need to clarify something before i vote for any of  those options, i always do stills and im happy with versión 1.0 and i dont need in the nearly future versión 1.5 my option is the box edition right? And this option is life time i dont need to pay anything in the future only if i want to upgrade to versión 2.0 i Will pay 99 euro for that update sounds rasonable to me.
 

2014-10-10, 18:14:12
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Very nice part 2 guys i like Saas and Box especially the Box license subscription : 99euros/year for updates and major builds is really attractive !
Goodbye 90 days rip !
That was not a rip. People just did not understand that 90 days:) It mean that even without subscription you had 90 access to all the goodies from subscription, to get the taste.
But that confused so many people, they thought that we willll not offer updates for them, or upgrades etc.
We probably communicated that point badly
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2014-10-10, 18:17:50
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Hi i need to clarify something before i vote for any of  those options, i always do stills and im happy with versión 1.0 and i dont need in the nearly future versión 1.5 my option is the box edition right? And this option is life time i dont need to pay anything in the future only if i want to upgrade to versión 2.0 i Will pay 99 euro for that update sounds rasonable to me.
Almost right. BUT
How do you think that there will not be anything new in version 1.5? We did not publish development road map yet. I think that we have a lot of things which we plan to add.
This option of box is life time. BUT upgrade to version 2.0 will cost more than subscription price. That is written in the article. 99 euro is the price for subscription where you have access to daily builds, monthly build and also to next major release like 2.0 ... Box without subscription is probably the worst solution of them all

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2014-10-10, 18:48:19
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that certainly looks like that was the  plan ....

2014-10-10, 19:20:51
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... Box without subscription is probably the worst solution of them all

that certainly looks like that was the  plan ....

Yes, this is the plan - box is the worst option for us, and not because we are money-hungry, greedy bastards, but because SaaS allows us to do natural, continuous development the same way we have successfully done until now. So the BOX version is intended only as a "safety" fallback for people who do not want SaaS for some reason.
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2014-10-10, 19:31:06
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Fair enough , but it does seem counter to the facts . That you are doing your best to penalize individuals who choose that route .


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Sorry for a question that is without a doubt answered in that thorough blog-post but I just couldn't find it. About SaaS monthly, very basic stuff: I "rent" the license for a month and once the month is up the software gets "locked"?

2014-10-10, 20:01:52
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your "fair SaaS" model is just great, and it really seems unbeatable for me... I really don't get why would someone want to go with box.. I can imagine some very special cases, very few of them.. But I don't have to pay in advance, I can cancel any time without feeling like it just cost too much to give up and switch now :D ... Still not sure about not being able to buy just extra nodes eventually if needed...

Anyways, I hope this all will work well for you guys :)

2014-10-10, 20:15:09
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I was a little skeptic after reading the first blog post. Not everything was clear back then and the box model didn't sound that good to me, but now I'm pretty happy about the licensing models.

I'm against renting for several reasons, I won't purchase any Autodesk or Adobe cloud products ever (at least as long as I'm not in any way forced to, good to be a employee!)... but.. I think that Coronas fair Saas model is really well designed. For people who like those renting models it's a good deal.

I personally prefer the box model because of it's "if I don't/can't pay anymore I will always be able to use what I have" feature. The initial price and the subscriptions are in my opinion fair balanced. I estimated the costs we had with Vray (vray 2 price, updates, new rendernodes.. overall costs over the years) for our render farm and calculated what Corona would be (initial payment + yearly subscriptions) and I found it pretty reasonable

I always try to keep in mind: I want the people who develop the software I need to make money to be paid well, so I don't have to worry that the product will die.
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2014-10-10, 20:54:05
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After reading new article with new prices i should say: really cool prices! Thank you Ondra for keeping promises!
PS. Hope there will be discounts for active alfa-testers)))))))))

2014-10-10, 21:31:00
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I personally prefer the box model because of it's "if I don't/can't pay anymore I will always be able to use what I have" feature.

I also think that this is the main fear that all this "rental" software had created for the user base.  I always try to support the software development and I think that this little conflict with this two plans could be solved of for instance, there is only one Saas plan, and after the years with your monthly payment when you reach the Total software price or the software, you can keep it at what you have if you can't pay any more, Kind of what Adobe proposed for CC customers, but they say you could own CS6.  Or if you pay in Advance you can own that copy, if you don't pay maintenance you'll have to pay the upgrade for new features.
This would be very friendly for the user base, but it will again limit the constant money flow to development teams that need that money to keep them moving.  I really feel that I read too many complains in this forum when in reality what Corona team is proposing seems more than fair already. asking for more than 3 licences for free just for hobby work? it is just abuse.this last payment options update make this very clear to me so I'll just wait until the release ;)


2014-10-10, 21:33:50
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They just said they plan to do discounts for really active users who participated in the development proces and this is very nice, many of you guys really deserve them!

As for the licencing options and prices - SaaS seems the best option atm. Prices of every package you offer are very reasonable.

I just really hope you guys calculated it all well. Business is brutall and i hope you won't ever bacame the victim of it cuz you REALLY ARE the most user friendly software developing company i know of.

2014-10-10, 22:23:57
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Now i'm happy - I have option for BOX licenses with Subscription :) I love You Corona team. You read, you think, you write - You are listening us, Your customer :)  If Corona 1.0 will be ready my company will buy BOX 4 licenes +4 Subscriptions. And privately i will buy one to with subscription. In second part of Your Q&A You show us that you respect our nees and ideas.
 Congratulations!

2014-10-10, 22:49:50
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Very nice part 2 guys i like Saas and Box especially the Box license subscription : 99euros/year for updates and major builds is really attractive !
Goodbye 90 days rip !
That was not a rip. People just did not understand that 90 days:) It mean that even without subscription you had 90 access to all the goodies from subscription, to get the taste.
But that confused so many people, they thought that we willll not offer updates for them, or upgrades etc.
We probably communicated that point badly

Yes Adam i do understand but i was talking about me  hehe
I think it's clear enough or maybe you should do a video explanation to clarify everything  in a nice way.


2014-10-10, 23:04:24
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I think that the issue of pricing successfully completed and it is time to prepare for the release, thanks guys you for what you have !!!

2014-10-11, 01:17:00
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What if internet connection is lost?

No big deal. Application will start and let you work for couple of days without connection to the internet.
Note: If there is still no internet connection for couple of days, there might be end of civilization anyway, so go home and spend it with your family or just call your internet provider.

About that ..
I didn't find this funny because some architecture firms in my country (I don't know if it's common or not at another countries) don't allow internet connection for their employees. Because they think it mess up productivity.
Personally I don't have internet problem at my work but because of this; some firms may not prefer to use corona.

Just sayin.

2014-10-11, 06:16:13
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I want to have on hand at all times 100% working tool which works independently from the Internet connection. I want a boxed version with a subscription.

2014-10-11, 07:51:04
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Sorry for a question that is without a doubt answered in that thorough blog-post but I just couldn't find it. About SaaS monthly, very basic stuff: I "rent" the license for a month and once the month is up the software gets "locked"?
Hey. SaaS works in a way, that once you fill in all the payment details, it will automatically deduct money each month. So it will renew license for another month automatically until you will decide to cancel. Once you will cancel and license is missing, then it will let you work for couple of days without license and only after that limitations will start (resolution, maximum number of passes, etc)
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2014-10-11, 07:54:32
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your "fair SaaS" model is just great, and it really seems unbeatable for me... I really don't get why would someone want to go with box.. I can imagine some very special cases, very few of them.. But I don't have to pay in advance, I can cancel any time without feeling like it just cost too much to give up and switch now :D ... Still not sure about not being able to buy just extra nodes eventually if needed...

Anyways, I hope this all will work well for you guys :)
If you need more render nodes on SaaS, you can simply buy another license. if you will buy 1+10, it is effectively 11 extra nodes with price tag of 4,09EUR per month per node. So there should not be a reason of selling just separate nodes. Box version works same way, but only offer 1+3 = 4 nodes per license
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2014-10-11, 07:58:26
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Very nice part 2 guys i like Saas and Box especially the Box license subscription : 99euros/year for updates and major builds is really attractive !
Goodbye 90 days rip !
That was not a rip. People just did not understand that 90 days:) It mean that even without subscription you had 90 access to all the goodies from subscription, to get the taste.
But that confused so many people, they thought that we willll not offer updates for them, or upgrades etc.
We probably communicated that point badly

Yes Adam i do understand but i was talking about me  hehe
I think it's clear enough or maybe you should do a video explanation to clarify everything  in a nice way.

Maybe, I also got a contact for a one guy who does video infographics, so maybe we will write him to do a video for the final release.
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2014-10-11, 08:01:56
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What if internet connection is lost?

No big deal. Application will start and let you work for couple of days without connection to the internet.
Note: If there is still no internet connection for couple of days, there might be end of civilization anyway, so go home and spend it with your family or just call your internet provider.

About that ..
I didn't find this funny because some architecture firms in my country (I don't know if it's common or not at another countries) don't allow internet connection for their employees. Because they think it mess up productivity.
Personally I don't have internet problem at my work but because of this; some firms may not prefer to use corona.

Just sayin.

I had blocked internet as well, while I was working for arch office back in the day in UK. But they were blocking just www. So some other services were working. So it was selectively blocked. Anyway we have a solution even for offline activation of large quantities of computers without internet.
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Well, I like to calc when I buy something :)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Year 1:
 Saas: 239.88€ (19.99*12)
 Box+s: 448€ (349+99)

Year 2:
 Saas: 539.76€ (239.88 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 547€ (448 + 99)

Year 3:
 Saas: 839.64€ (539.76 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 646€ (547 + 99)
 
So if my calculations are correct, then Box+s becomes cheaper than Saas after 2 years of payments.
I don't like to rent any software, and it seems I don't need to, just because it's more expensive in long term. Am I right?

Actually the question is - I will pay 349 one time and 99 every year and I will get version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc.?

2014-10-11, 11:28:40
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Thank you very much for your work! I am your loyal fan. The question was left alone. How to carry money?))))

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Well, I like to calc when I buy something :)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Year 1:
 Saas: 239.88€ (19.99*12)
 Box+s: 448€ (349+99)

Year 2:
 Saas: 539.76€ (239.88 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 547€ (448 + 99)

Year 3:
 Saas: 839.64€ (539.76 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 646€ (547 + 99)
 
So if my calculations are correct, then Box+s becomes cheaper than Saas after 2 years of payments.
I don't like to rent any software, and it seems I don't need to, just because it's more expensive in long term. Am I right?

Actually the question is - I will pay 349 one time and 99 every year and I will get version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc.?

Yes, SaaS will eventually became more expensive, if you keep using and paying every month. So if you are now sure you will get your money worth, have the cash, and are willing to commit, buy the box version. With subscription, you will get the same updates as with SaaS.

But a lot of things can change in 2 years - take adam for example, 2 years ago he was doing visualizations and never thought he would be now part of the Corona team ;). SaaS offers flexibility: you can quit or pause at any time and it won't cost you anything. But you can also do the opposite: you may for example need some help, say 2 more people for some large project for 2 months. With SaaS, you rent extra licences for only 2*2*25 = 100€. After the project is done, you cancel the SaaS and that's it. With the traditional box model, you would be stuck with 900€ worth of useless licences. Same with rendering: for one month you can switch from 1+3 to 1+10 plan to get extra computing power, and then just go back when you dont need it.



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2014-10-11, 15:48:58
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Hm, I wouldn't buy Box versions for those 2 guys. Of course I will prefer Saas for them. This doesn't mean that I don't need Box for myself ;)
Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

2014-10-11, 16:54:06
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I have an another question,

Let's say I bought box version, I used it with subscription 2 years. Then I didn't paid for subscription next 2 years. After 4 years I want to pay subcription again, am I gonna pay same amount or higher amount, or am I have to buy box version again? Or am I gonna pay upgrade price (which I assume depends how many versions between you have and most recent one)? What's the borderline about this? I assume, you can subscribe as long as possible if you pay continuously; if you miss/don't pay for a year, you have to start from beginning. Right? I'm asking all these because I'm just trying to check what happens this kind of complicated situations.

2014-10-11, 17:08:53
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Subscription will be cheaper than waiting to buy the upgrade with one-time fee. This discount is kind of a reward for trusting us and buying the subscription (and upgrades) up-front. Because of this, it will have to be paid continuously (e.g. you cannot wait 1 year, and only then buy subscription for 99€ to get an upgrade that would otherwise cost you 150€*). But after buying the one-time upgrade, it will be possible to resume the subscription again.

Yes, it gets quite complicated, but that is the problem with box versions. SaaS is just so much simpler, why cannot everyone use SaaS? :-(. A man can dream ;).

Either way, in your situation, you will just buy the one-time upgrade to the latest version (cheaper than buying a new licence), and you will be offered to start the subscription again. Or at least this is the solution we came to when we tried to imagine all the situations that could happen, and how to handle them fairly. We are open to discussion here ;).


* The upgrade price here is in no way final ;)
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2014-10-11, 19:46:57
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Hi there,

Since you're so keen on getting as much people on board with SaaS (which I can imagine), why not give the opportunity to make discounts for loyal users with SaaS contracts. So the longer you're on SaaS the cheaper it would get. That way you also compensate the fact that a Box version would be cheaper after a long run.

Don't get my wrong on the pricing, cuz it looks fair to me and really appreciate your efforts to really listen to this user community (and therfor hope you really consider the above written :)  )

2014-10-11, 20:14:50
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How much will the upgrade version 1 to version 2 of the box with the subscription license and the box without a subscription?

2014-10-11, 20:23:14
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How much will the upgrade version 1 to version 2 of the box with the subscription license and the box without a subscription?

With Box+subscription you always get most latest version of plugin. No matter what it's number. So it's kinda free :) You already payed for subscription, remember?
With Box only it will cost some money, I don't know how much.

2014-10-11, 20:27:33
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Hey guys, I really like what you have done with the licensing, I just don't understand why do you hate Box licensins so much hahaha for me is the only solution, in case I don't have ANY money to spend monthly I can continue working, that is pretty important, I hate renting anything, having the SaaS mode is great as something complementary to the Box license, but it's a big nono for me as the principal licensing mode, on the other hand subscription is great for me, I'm all to go for a Subs with Box licensing, I still miss some nodes more in the Box license,a complete 1+5 or 1+4 instead 1+3, I think it's a better number, but it's not dramatic :D  I think if I can afford high performance nodes for rendering with Corona I can afford one more Box license each 4 nodes :)

Also I miss some kind of pre-order option to make the purchase right away and forget about this ASAP hehehe

Cheers!

EDIT: After re-reading I'm not sure if I explained myself with the pre-order, what I mean is a system where we can pay now and receive the 1.0 right away when it is released, this is to be able to forget about the purchase and cost and go forward on other things :)
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2014-10-11, 22:30:48
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How much will the upgrade version 1 to version 2 of the box with the subscription license and the box without a subscription?

with subscription: free (cost is included in the 99€ subscription)
without subscription: some amount larger than 99€ ;)
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2014-10-11, 22:52:03
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im sorry for not reading all the posts here, im sorry to not increase the tone of the debate (probably) , i just want to say that i was a hobbiest, ( like someone call) and used first  maxwell render, and then (unfortunelly) vray for the last years, thanks to piracy,  i know that is wrong, and should be diferent ways of "work" ...  my job  as a drawing  technician is having an evolution, that is almost crucial to have knowledge of rendering (included),...since the year 2000 i have seen a progression in the demand from my bosses ( i have probably 3 diferent works in the same branch) in the quality of the render imagery, in the first years  a scanline render was almost enough for them , in the mids of 2006 a low quality image in vray was crucial and almost compulsary in the day after day work.  But where do i want get with this, first that is very important to have at least a free test version, that can give a minimum capability to the users to see, evolve and test a software, even with the risk of using them in comercial use, ( at least the pirate versions would be less or not) or in another offer a good price so nobody had the trouble and the "pain" in getting a pirated one, ( that i think corona team as a good licence plan with a monthly fee).
I just want to say that, in a post someone reply to me that a final version of corona was going to be launched in november, ive "run" almost imeadiatly to search this topic PRICE !!! do you know why ???   im gonna tell you a story  this last years after a long job crisis in europe , i was able to get "steady" in my current job thanks to Corona renderer,   as i told in the begining of my post the years goes and "they "  want good images right away,  AND THANK GOD i FOUND CORONA !!!......  you probably are thinking " THIS GUY WANTS A FREE ONE !!AH HA Ah .....but NO !!   i just want to say IM IN AND I WANT TO BUY ONE !!!!!

2014-10-13, 15:19:45
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Well, I like to calc when I buy something :)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Year 1:
 Saas: 239.88€ (19.99*12)
 Box+s: 448€ (349+99)

Year 2:
 Saas: 539.76€ (239.88 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 547€ (448 + 99)

Year 3:
 Saas: 839.64€ (539.76 + 24.99*12)
 Box+s: 646€ (547 + 99)
 
So if my calculations are correct, then Box+s becomes cheaper than Saas after 2 years of payments.
I don't like to rent any software, and it seems I don't need to, just because it's more expensive in long term. Am I right?

Actually the question is - I will pay 349 one time and 99 every year and I will get version 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc.?

Yes, SaaS will eventually became more expensive, if you keep using and paying every month. So if you are now sure you will get your money worth, have the cash, and are willing to commit, buy the box version. With subscription, you will get the same updates as with SaaS.

But a lot of things can change in 2 years - take adam for example, 2 years ago he was doing visualizations and never thought he would be now part of the Corona team ;). SaaS offers flexibility: you can quit or pause at any time and it won't cost you anything. But you can also do the opposite: you may for example need some help, say 2 more people for some large project for 2 months. With SaaS, you rent extra licences for only 2*2*25 = 100€. After the project is done, you cancel the SaaS and that's it. With the traditional box model, you would be stuck with 900€ worth of useless licences. Same with rendering: for one month you can switch from 1+3 to 1+10 plan to get extra computing power, and then just go back when you dont need it.

During last weekend I've done the same calculations. And so, considering I'm going to go on with my job of course for 2 years (actually, hoping more than 2...) I'll buy box solution with sub. Ondra, of course, when I'll need more licences for a cup of weeks, I have the opportunity to rent some SaaS licences, mixing box and Saas licence model. IMHO, for my company and similar, this is of course the best solution.
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2014-10-13, 15:35:55
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I must say, Im disapointed with the box option its a paytoplay option that I would compare to mobile app's.
I expected more pleasent suprize, compared to other engines corona has its cheeper starging price but each launching probably will now have.
Im sure you have done yor research but..
With my heart broken, an unfinished product.. It will be hard to convince my boss that corona IS the solution.
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2014-10-13, 16:13:05
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Tanakov why do you think the box option is not good?

I don't think Corona is such an unfinished product, it can benefit from a lot more features, but it's a proper render engine in most of ways more complete than iRay for example.

Cheers.

2014-10-13, 16:15:49
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You do mentioned schools and universities, but what about charity organizations that produce non-commercial work?

2014-10-13, 16:30:55
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why do you think the box option is not good?

I think it's noot good because of node-locked license and not flexible licensing policy (just one 1+3 option not good for customers, but good for simplifying licensing policy for developers).

As we calculated for our 20 PCs there is extra 100 EU (3312 (45.99EU*2pcs*12months*3years) SaaS vs 3230 (349EU*5pcs+99EU*5pcs*3years) BOX) needed for SaaS model versus BOX license for 3 years. And 500+ EU (more than twice more) for SaaS every next year versus BOX license. So the major difference for us is the floating license for now. This is crucial.
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I think at this point my main concern would be being able to install one license on 2 computers, you know, the typical one workstation/one laptop (which everyone uses for another computer anyway), or for me, one work computer/one home computer. I don't care about nodes as I don't network render, so the "seats" are more important.

2014-10-13, 20:10:34
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I think at this point my main concern would be being able to install one license on 2 computers, you know, the typical one workstation/one laptop (which everyone uses for another computer anyway), or for me, one work computer/one home computer. I don't care about nodes as I don't network render, so the "seats" are more important.

+1

2014-10-13, 20:29:31
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You do mentioned schools and universities, but what about charity organizations that produce non-commercial work?

We have talked between us about some ways we can make some positive differences. We have decided we will be giving few percents of our profit to charities. We can also of course provide charitable organizations with free licences.
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2014-10-13, 20:46:52
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I agree that having the box workstation license as floating network license could be very good, no matter if it's SaaS or if it is Box, I think it should be Network floating license, wouldn't it be easier for you (devs) if ALL the licenses are network floating licenses with a centralized server in one node in the customer computer base? this server will license against you and differentiate how much licenses ar SaaS and how much licenses are Box licenses, but I think it will do your job much easier regarding licensing.

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2014-10-13, 21:43:57
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You do mentioned schools and universities, but what about charity organizations that produce non-commercial work?

We have talked between us about some ways we can make some positive differences. We have decided we will be giving few percents of our profit to charities. We can also of course provide charitable organizations with free licences.

That is fantastic, Keymaster. Great news indeed. :)

2014-10-14, 09:08:53
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I think at this point my main concern would be being able to install one license on 2 computers, you know, the typical one workstation/one laptop (which everyone uses for another computer anyway), or for me, one work computer/one home computer. I don't care about nodes as I don't network render, so the "seats" are more important.

^ this +1. Really need this option

2014-10-14, 12:46:34
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I think at this point my main concern would be being able to install one license on 2 computers, you know, the typical one workstation/one laptop (which everyone uses for another computer anyway), or for me, one work computer/one home computer. I don't care about nodes as I don't network render, so the "seats" are more important.

^ this +1. Really need this option

This was already explained in the blog :). You will be able to use your license at home and at work or at home / laptop. They haven't explained it yet how will it work exactly, but it should be something easy and what is the most important - it will be doable. No worries about that part :)
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Well, as I understand it, this option will only be for SaaS (and only if it's technical possible) - not Box, nor Box + subscription :(

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I would love to be wrong about this. Work + home for 1 Box + subscription would be the right deal for a lot of people.

2014-10-17, 09:55:22
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I am honourably sorry Miss Molly if this has been addressed already. I did search for FREE and COST and have been reading for some time. I now bow down to information delivered.

Is there still a free version of Corona and if not is the Alpha 7 at a price or time limit i saw?

I'm lookin gat other options in MAX besides Mental Ray or VRAY.

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2014-10-17, 11:12:43
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I am honourably sorry Miss Molly if this has been addressed already. I did search for FREE and COST and have been reading for some time. I now bow down to information delivered.

Is there still a free version of Corona and if not is the Alpha 7 at a price or time limit i saw?

I'm lookin gat other options in MAX besides Mental Ray or VRAY.

GO CORONA GO. ...hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Alpha 6 will still free i guess.

2014-10-17, 19:55:07
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If you need more render nodes, then simply buy another license. You can use workstation license as a render node. So each new BOX license gives you 4 more nodes.

Really?!? So for 1 workstation + 10 nodes i need 3 full licences + 3x subscription? For 3 years this would be  1644€ (1344€ with promo discount)

And the leasing option without any ownership would be 1620€ for three years or 1440€ with discount? Not that it would be an option for me to rent my software, but why is it almost the same and even more expensive with promo, if i don't own anything after this time?!?

I mean, i now have Maxwell Render v3 and v-ray v2... Maxwell is 1095€ incl. 10 nodes +17 (!) plugins (i use 3dsmax, sketchup,photoshop and after effects) + free updates (i payed 380€ for the upgrade from v2 with 10% discount). For v-ray v2 i payed 845€ - not sure if i will upgrade to v3, which would be 700€ for me incl. 10 nodes.

2014-10-18, 18:15:06
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I think I ll take an edu license, is there a more precise release date than "november" ?

2014-10-19, 11:59:42
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I always thought that Beta followed Alpha ?
8)

2014-10-20, 11:42:53
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I always thought that Beta followed Alpha ?
8)

With a look on other Rendering engines (Vray and such), i think the "mass" of current Daily Build tester's (unfortunaly not me :P) gives the developers here
enough feedback and room to improve Corona as much as possible, so that the release next month (can't wait) will be the currently best solution to pay for.

Other Engines goes final and sold with many Bugs/not implented/not functional stuff, i think when i buy corona next month (CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!)
it's worth every cent.

2014-10-20, 13:58:53
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when can whe  start subscribing (be on the line to pay, or pay ) the corona licence, ( im getting nervous) i want to be one of the first to have a working licence.

2014-10-20, 18:52:48
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I agree that a pre-sale option could be great :)

Cheers!

2014-10-20, 19:07:57
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I agree that a pre-sale option could be great :)

Cheers!

Yes, i also Vote loud and instant for a Pre-Pre Sale :)


2014-10-21, 16:02:51
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How is with standalone?

2014-10-23, 00:56:55
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Hi Ondra!
What shold I do if I need 7 or 10 or more render nodes.
If I need its more than 3. Buy 2 or more boxes?

2014-10-23, 02:02:25
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Yes, you'd hound buy a Box license every 4 nodes, you get 1 UI node + 3 non UI node, or use the SaaS model.

Cheers.

2014-10-23, 02:03:08
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@Kramon

Still free until it is released as 1.0 AFIK

Cheers.

2014-10-24, 07:49:26
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It's good to see that we're getting 2 licensing models. This makes our lives much easier, as freelancers or studios. Not to mention that we can cross grade without any fees and also sell the license. The box version+subscription it's cheaper than the SaaS option, if we plan to use the software for more than 3 years. After the 3rd year it gets a lot cheaper! So my preferred model is the (or hopefully will be, since I'm a C4D user) box+subscription.

If we look from a strictly cost point of view, in the long term, the box+subscription is the best solution, but the beauty of having these 2 available models is that we can mix them and adapt to all kinds of situations. It's very elastic!

The SaaS is good for those who are starting with the software and need to properly test it for more than 1 month. It's also good if you don't have the money to pay upfront for a box license and if you don't have a steady stream of work. I foresee all the SaaS subscribers to move to the box+subscription model after using it for 1 year or so and only using the SaaS as complement for those situations where more licenses are needed for a certain period of time.

So, to conclude, I personally am happy with these 2 available license models.

2014-10-24, 12:40:31
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Hi Ondra.

Read the tred but didn't found anything about corporate licensing.

For example we need 7-8 workstations, do we have to suscribe Saas for 160 per month or 2800+800 for box edition or there wil be more options?
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2014-10-24, 16:02:32
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If you really need 7-8 people working with corona at the same time, then yes, you will need to buy 7-8 saas or box licences. It will be possible to buy and manage them on a single account, but there are currently no volume discounts on workstation seats planned.
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2014-10-25, 14:39:54
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On the post you mentioned there will be a dirty cheap student version? what does it mean?
will you consider educational disccounts? I mean student, teachers lowered prices?


2014-10-25, 21:15:11
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they were already announced, see the original article
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2014-10-29, 15:57:45
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i was wondering, are you guys also planning a new website launch and new gallery when you go commercial?
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2014-10-29, 16:34:18
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yes & yes
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2014-10-29, 22:09:37
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we're getting close don't we ?
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2014-11-02, 18:13:28
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as a veteran in the field , representing autodesk for many years first as kinetix system center and later as authorized multimedia dealer i can relate to the caution some users ( and for now me included ) will have committing their production pipeline to the saas option. as a young company in its first (and yes, very promising) steps i feel more confident in owning a box license to begin with , for at least a couple of years until i see you guys are here to stay for the long haul. still i do believe the first year subscription should be part of the box price (complementary) and should be charged a year after purchase date.

2014-11-03, 10:40:40
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as a veteran in the field , representing autodesk for many years first as kinetix system center and later as authorized multimedia dealer i can relate to the caution some users ( and for now me included ) will have committing their production pipeline to the saas option. as a young company in its first (and yes, very promising) steps i feel more confident in owning a box license to begin with , for at least a couple of years until i see you guys are here to stay for the long haul. still i do believe the first year subscription should be part of the box price (complementary) and should be charged a year after purchase date.

I still don't get why people like the price, but say upgrades should be included - would you be more happier if the price was 450/550 eur, but with 1 year subscription included?
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2014-11-03, 11:02:37
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I still don't get why people like the price, but say upgrades should be included - would you be more happier if the price was 450/550 eur, but with 1 year subscription included?
I guess yes, people don't like to feel that they have to pay for this, that, and that... multiple payments, maybe if you raised the price but said "Subscription included".. psychologically, people will feel that they get an "extra" thing. IMHO.

2014-11-03, 11:41:32
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I disagree.

I have to say that the price for Box license with just 3 nodes + 1 Ui is a bit high for my expectations, I was expecting something more in the line of the offer price, 349€ as final price, not 449€, wich in the end turns into 448€/548€ with subs.

With that said, I think that giving the users different options at affordable rate is a great choice, it's up to the user if they want to pay for this and that, and this does not force the user to acquire something he does not want, so charging the subs apart seems right from my POV, but could be great to give the box users a grace period of the first year to pay up for the subscription.

With that said the grace period could work as I'll explain here:

1.- a user acquires the box license the 25th november / 2014, this user can't pay for the subs right away, so he need to wait a bit for the money.
2.- since he has the grace period he can wait until he gets another job
3.- the user gets another job to pay for this in, let's say, 15th january / 2015 and then pays the subscription.
4.- the subscription won't compute since the user paid for it, but since the user acquired the license, so his renewal date for the subscription will be 25th Novemeber / 2015 instead of 15th January 2016
5.- this gives users a bit more room to acquire subs and gives devs the expected timeframe for subs renewal.

Hope this makes a bit of sense.

Cheers!

2014-11-03, 17:57:59
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I think the above is a bit complicated, just go for the SAAS if your worried about big initial outlays, its something not many companies offer. Price point seems more than reasonable to me in general.

However there is a bit of an annomaly in terms of pushing the SAAS version as the best option over the box version when it comes to long term use. From what I can work out (ignoring any intro pricing) once you are halfway into year three your much better off getting the box license and subs. Total payment for 3 years on box and you pay (450+100+100+100 = 750). Total payment for 3 years on SAAS (25 x 36 = 900). And then from then on you are getting it at essentially 1/3 of the price of SAAS assuming all prices stay the same.

Can you mix and match with getting both a fixed box license and subs and then also getting a flexible SAAS license that can be switched easily from work to home? This could give you essentailly a bunch of render nodes and also the option to have two workstations with full access at work.

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2014-11-03, 20:37:18
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Total payment for 3 years on box and you pay (450+100+100+100 = 750). Total payment for 3 years on SAAS (25 x 36 = 900


Don't forget to say that, apart from being more expensive, with saas you get nothing at the end. You own nothing. As opposed to the box license, which you really own perpetually, and that you can use when hard times come. It is a huge difference, just like owning your house, or renting it.
This saas, if it is the only option (as AD does), is really a mid-class killer.
I hope that, with corona, you'll always have the choice and that keymaster won't remove this in favor of saas only.

2014-11-04, 02:40:31
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I don't like this licensing model at all. Yes, it's new and innovative, and supposedly the super-duper-Saas model is very fair to the final users. But in my humble opinion it's not. The first licensing proposal had to be completely redone, because it was so completely unfair for the box model and heavily biased towards the Saas model. And even now, after the changes (thanks guys for at least including payed updates in the box model...) still is.

I look at the Box model and think about Corona as a render engine in it's baby stage, a very promising baby by the way. But let's not forget that there are a ton of features that haven't been implemented yet. I'm very sure the development team is going to do a great job, and give us a full fledged render engine, no doubt about it. But come on... the baby 1.0 version, is the same price as the competition (Octane v2.x is 459€ and Maxwell v3 is 446€), and if you're not lucky enough to get the promo discount you're either left with no updates, or paying 100€ more. Those are way more developed versions, tried and true... those are grown ups compared to Corona. Doesn't seem so fair right?

So then I look at the Saas model, supposedly the fair option. But to me it's just a neat way to get you hooked into the system. Very easy to step in, affordable at the beggining and "you are always free to take the door and leave". Of course you are.... and then in 2 years time, when all your libraries are converted to Corona, all your workflow is optimized for Corona, all your work has been done in Corona, and all the time you have spent in mastering Corona ... are you gonna leave? After two years, when the licensing costs are starting to get equal and you see your mighty Saas slowly overtaking the box model costs, will you want to leave and be left with nothing? I guess not... You're going to be hooked with no way to step out, cause once you stop paying for the Saas you're left with just a crippled demo version. And nobody wants that. That's when the money leak starts, and you wish you had bought the Box version.

If only the Saas model would give us the chance of owning the software once the box model price was met, meaning you could really step out of the game and at least keep a usable piece of software you have paid for... I would see it fair. But right now it just doesn't add up. We're either blind-buying the baby-box model at a higher cost than the competition, or stepping into the leaky Saas model.

2014-11-04, 10:23:31
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I dont think its fair to say that Maxwell and octane are the same price as you dont get any nodes with their base price and its comparitively expensive to add them. I also would imagine that within the year Corona would be fully up to speed features wise and then some. Maxwell is slow and has been since day one and Octane is hamstrung by GPU RAM (and for me an overly complex material editor), Corona is fast and very accessible. Its also a fair bit cheaper than Vray and nodes. Even things like indigo are more expensive, so I think Corona is very competative on price.

My main issue is that the box license is fixed but the SAAS license is floating, I dont see the fairness in that. And with the box and subs your putting more faith / commitment into corona than you are on SAAS which you can bail on after one month. Surely most box buyers would keep paying 100 euro a year to keep getting the best tech. Its very affordable if your making money off it. Especially compared to other software commitments.

I agree on your point about getting 'locked in' to SAAS and passing the point of no return price wise. That's going to be a bit galling for some.

2014-11-04, 11:50:20
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I don't like this licensing model at all. Yes, it's new and innovative, and supposedly the super-duper-Saas model is very fair to the final users. But in my humble opinion it's not. The first licensing proposal had to be completely redone, because it was so completely unfair for the box model and heavily biased towards the Saas model. And even now, after the changes (thanks guys for at least including payed updates in the box model...) still is.

I look at the Box model and think about Corona as a render engine in it's baby stage, a very promising baby by the way. But let's not forget that there are a ton of features that haven't been implemented yet. I'm very sure the development team is going to do a great job, and give us a full fledged render engine, no doubt about it. But come on... the baby 1.0 version, is the same price as the competition (Octane v2.x is 459€ and Maxwell v3 is 446€), and if you're not lucky enough to get the promo discount you're either left with no updates, or paying 100€ more. Those are way more developed versions, tried and true... those are grown ups compared to Corona. Doesn't seem so fair right?

So then I look at the Saas model, supposedly the fair option. But to me it's just a neat way to get you hooked into the system. Very easy to step in, affordable at the beggining and "you are always free to take the door and leave". Of course you are.... and then in 2 years time, when all your libraries are converted to Corona, all your workflow is optimized for Corona, all your work has been done in Corona, and all the time you have spent in mastering Corona ... are you gonna leave? After two years, when the licensing costs are starting to get equal and you see your mighty Saas slowly overtaking the box model costs, will you want to leave and be left with nothing? I guess not... You're going to be hooked with no way to step out, cause once you stop paying for the Saas you're left with just a crippled demo version. And nobody wants that. That's when the money leak starts, and you wish you had bought the Box version.

If only the Saas model would give us the chance of owning the software once the box model price was met, meaning you could really step out of the game and at least keep a usable piece of software you have paid for... I would see it fair. But right now it just doesn't add up. We're either blind-buying the baby-box model at a higher cost than the competition, or stepping into the leaky Saas model.

Now I see things differently.. You are absolutely right!!

2014-11-04, 17:02:59
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(1) this is interesting... i was hoping the box model would be a bit more affordable for your maiden commercial edition. ive grown fond of corona and used it already on a bunch of projects at the office. im not sure my boss at the office would be very happy when i come up with the proposal of buying the box model on 8 separate machines.....that's a whooping amount i don't think he can afford cos its a bit unexpected at this point in time(cos they don't use 3rd party renderers till i brought in corona free...gosh! thats trouble for me :(  ), neither can i afford the box model on my personal machine at home. im certain most people ran after corona for its free price hoping it would be fairly affordable even when released commercially but now its somewhat more expensive than the renderers we ran from. this is bad cos i cant go back to mental ray as it is. is there anything that can be done about the pricing before release?....

(2) when i pay $449 eventually for the box model, and at the end of the year cannot afford to pay $99 for subscription does his mean after one year i would no longer be able to use corona without the limitations(resolution, passes n stuff).... you did say "FOREVER" in the posted link so im not sure i quite understand it. thanks

2014-11-04, 17:11:23
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Answering number 2:

No, It means that you will be able to keep using corona as much as you want, but in the last state you received it, you won't get more daily updates and such things until they release a full point releas were you will be able to upgrade with some discount.
The box license is yours so you can keep using as much as you want without support.

Cheers.
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2014-11-04, 20:04:16
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I also find the pricing disappointing.
I remember that corona developpers said they wanted it to be accessible to the majority, and that they were considering the fact that people in their region weren't as wealthy as western countries, etc. The idea of corona remaining free was even mentionned.
So I was hoping to see it cheaper, around 200 dollars or so. I was a bit surprised to see it at almost 600 usd and more expensive than redshift.

2014-11-05, 09:14:10
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What's the exact release date???

2014-11-05, 09:33:39
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What's the exact release date???

When it's ready™

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2014-11-05, 09:58:45
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What's the exact release date???

There is no exact date, it will be released during this month, but I think they want to do a solid release, so they did not gave any exact release date :)

Cheers.

2014-11-05, 11:56:35
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I still don't get why people like the price, but say upgrades should be included - would you be more happier if the price was 450/550 eur, but with 1 year subscription included?
one of the main elements in 3D studio's exponential spread in the early years was a very generous approach towards the potential client base. price was never the main issue but the trust the community developed towards autodesk being there to help them achieve their aim. of course you do not want to give away your software for less then its worth, but its important to understand that relationship is not built in a day and is not based solely on product quality.
as for your question i think any reasonable/competitive  price- tag on the  box will be acceptable as long as you give your community the strong sense that you are here for them and not the other way around.
by selling the first version of the software with a 1 year hassle free guarantee all bugs glitches and oversights are included in the contract you will get closer in achieving this goal.
on a separate note, it would be nice to highlight the buckets being processed (much like vray) its pain staking trying to find where the image is being rendered...just a suggestion. 
« Last Edit: 2014-11-05, 12:04:59 by gilhal »

2014-11-05, 12:02:34
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I do not see any part of that last post answering my question.
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2014-11-05, 12:10:56
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its in there. if you need to jack-up the price in order to make it right, do so. i personalty feel it will be wrong to make the box +1 year guaranteed support and updates - more then now, i would even price version 1 at an entry price. 

2014-11-05, 13:27:00
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From my POV the answer is no, and that is because, even when we are all happy that corona is reaching it's first commercial release and we will be able to acquire it, there has been a bit of general disappointment regarding the box license pricing, it felt a bit higher than what it was expected to be, and it's render nodes policy was a bit lower than what it was expected to be, so increasing the price again to include that first year maintenance will be counterproductive, IMHO any changes in the current price scheme should be to make the box license more affordable, or to stay as it is right now, any rise of the price will be bad for it I think.
Apart from that, I've always thought that modularity is great and make things more affordable to anyone, so having the subs price separate form the price make sense to me, I just think that acquiring the subs should be a bit more flexible than what is right now, that you acquire it when you acquire corona or you've lost the train.

I know that SaaS model is the main model you want to keep ebcause it will give you a more fluen income, but after speaking to some trusted people (bank, accountant, fiscal advisor) they told me that it has an added risk that we should not take, so it's great as a sidewing to increase the render licenses temporarily, but never as our base of work, because our incomes as small studio are VERY variable, and we should not risk ourselves to be out of busines because we cannot pay the monthly licenses of everything that it seems to come that will let us work, on the other hand the SaaS model is great to "per-project" based studios, like vfx tv studios or big project studios with projects that have a closed budget over time, this help those type of studios to have clear and justified budget, but for us, small and freelancers, is not good at all.

I don't understand why devs are so focused on SaaS, this is not good for users (being you the fairest company regarding SaaS pricing and model), even when some accountants are stubborn saying that renting is good... well it's good depending on every personal situation, anyways you keep the box licensing, wich is the great part of this :)

Well my post is a bit of a mess regarding opinions, and different thoughts, all this about SaaS revolution is making me dizzy and there are companies that will die because of this, in the end behind those companies there is greed, wich I don't think is your case, but the reasoning that says "if I don't rent my software I won't be able to keep upgrading it", that is untrue or we would not have any historical software as of today, like max, maya, softimage, lightwave, vray, krakatoa, and a long etc... and that's the reasoning that some companies like Autodesk or Cebas are saying to justify their jump to the only SaaS, Autodesk is big, and may be able to absorb the hit of users abandoning it, but Cebas is not that big, and IMHO behind that model change there is just greed.

The fairest model I know is subscription for box licenses, this give the dev yearly founds to keep development and live and don't leave the user in a disadvantage place were he won't be able to keep working if he cannot pay the monthly fee, even if the box licenses is a bit lower and the subs is a bit higher, I think this could be great for both sides, imagin paying for corona 250€ for the license and 175€ for the yearly subscription, this will leave the entry price in a similar fashion, but will let users that cannot afford the subscription the hability to acquire Corona, and in the end, since the yearly subscription is higher it will give the devs a bigger yearly income per license.

That's why, even when I thought the Corona pricing would be a bit lower than what it is, I think is good, and having the subs apart still gives the user the option to acquire it or not to.

Just my thoughts in a post, admin please feel free to delete or move this to the off topic forum if you think is neccessary because I think i've drifted a bit, but it's something I wanted to share since there is so much people talking about the pricing model of the box license.

Cheers.

2014-11-05, 13:58:16
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I won't argue with everything you wrote. I just don't know how we could make some things clearer. I will never understand people saying 350+99  is worse than 450 with mandatory included subscription. And I will never understand people saying they dont know if they will have 25€ next month to pay for SaaS even though they could just set aside the money at the beginning.

I will just react to one thing:

there has been a bit of general disappointment regarding the box license pricing

This is NOT true. According to the poll we made, the vast majority of users is satisfied and voted for SaaS option. It seems that the "only box, saas is evil" group is small, but very loud one.
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2014-11-05, 14:21:52
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This is NOT true. According to the poll we made, the vast majority of users is satisfied and voted for SaaS option. It seems that the "only box, saas is evil" group is small, but very loud one.

There are also the "I like Box but Saas may be a good option for many" people ;)
Actually, I also wouldn't say there is a general disappointment regarding box. I had the impression that Box was quite well accepted.

I'd be interested in seeing how the Poll results are, any chance to have a look?
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2014-11-05, 15:12:11
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And I will never understand people saying they dont know if they will have 25€ next month to pay for SaaS even though they could just set aside the money at the beginning.
I don't know if you have ever lived hard times but, for modest freelancers (perhaps in your country as you mentionned in the first articles about pricing), it can easily become difficult sometimes, to pay 25€euros for just a rendering engine, considering the fact that they'd have difficulties to pay their rent and electricity bill (I say this by experience).
People outside western countries aren't able to charge clients as much as others in us or western europe, thus making their revenues small, alongside the lack of employement etc.

It seems that the "only box, saas is evil" group is small, but very loud one.

Then, you should go on the various cg forums and see by yourself how many people are angry about the saas-only model, they are the majority of thread participants. We are not talking about saas as an choice/option, which is well accepted, but as saas-only.
Usually, people defending saas-only model seem to be employed, having a comfortable living, their employers paying all the subs for them, etc, they are not owning their business, thus not foreseeing the conséquences this model has on people's life and on economy.
I agree with juang, I think greed is a main factor for the saas-only model. This is egoist and benefit only the software companies.
I say this because I was afraid this was the route towards which you were leaning, that's what I felt when reading the pricing article. I hope you'll never get seduced by this saas-only. And I repeat, like said others, this saas-only will help killing the middle-class.


Let's take an example of a typical scenario for a vfx freelancer on this model (in dollars)
- 195 for max (completely possible in their monthly rental scheme this is the price)
 - 55 for tp
 - 50 for fumefx (I'm making out this, it's just theoretically)
 - let's say another 50 for krakatoa (I'm making out this, it's just theoretically)
- 32 for corona

So this makes approx. 400/month just for work. BTW: this is just for one workstation, one person! think of two or three workstations!
When you are in a scenario where it has been 2 or 3 month of unemployment, and a project pops up, you don't even have the opportunity to take it because you couldn't pay your saas'ss, and you can't use a single software. You would have been happy to use, even an older version of owned software, just to complete this project and pay your bills.

Do you see why many people prefer owning their software?
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2014-11-05, 16:06:29
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So this makes approx. 400/month just for work. BTW: this is just for one workstation, one person! think of two or three workstations!
When you are in a scenario where it has been 2 or 3 month of unemployment, and a project pops up, you don't even have the opportunity to take it because you couldn't pay your saas'ss, and you can't use a single software. You would have been happy to use, even an older version of owned software, just to complete this project and pay your bills.

Do you see why many people prefer owning their software?

So even though you dont have 25€, you will have 450€ up front for the box version? I still don't get this. Our SaaS model is aimed exactly at this situation - if you are unemployed for 3 months - you just cancel our SaaS and save 75€. This is how we want to make the software affordable.

Besides, if you have the 450€ for box version, you can set it aside and use it to pay the SaaS - in case you have job and are making money. If not - then you can save it for later when you get one, or use it for anything else. You won't get stuck with 450€ worth of software you won't use. I am not asking you to do this. But I dont understand why some people just refuse this possibility.
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2014-11-05, 16:08:13
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This is NOT true. According to the poll we made, the vast majority of users is satisfied and voted for SaaS option. It seems that the "only box, saas is evil" group is small, but very loud one.

That is good then, but I'm not thinking as of today, I'm thinking in one/two years or so, if I have Adobe and Corona as rented software for two workstations that makes me this:

Corona 50€
Adobe ~140€

Now add the following software we may need if it were on SaaS

3dsMax ~150€
Maya ~ 150€

This makes 490€/month, add also Unity 3D with iPhone and Android, as a generalist studio we do render and real time work:

Unity3d 57€
Android 57€
iPhone 57€

This makes a grand total of 661€ for a software I currently own and cost me 0/month, that doesnt means that I don't pay for it regularily, but I pay for it when I can, I recently paid around 2000€ for the Unity3d upgrade to version 4/5 but I want's able to pay for it before and I kept working with Unity 3.5.7 at cost 0 until I was able to pay for the upgrade, if in any case I had been unable to gain the money for Unity then I had been able to keep working for demos for clients with Unity 3.5.7 until I manage to acquire a project and I had been able to upgrade, with a rent option, this may have rendered impossible.

Same applies for the rest of the software, I don't doubt I will have 50€ next month, well there are times when I doubt it, but of course I pretty much doubt I will have 661€ every month for software, and I can't work with Corona without Max, so if I'm in a struggle I will have to stop working with corona to gain more projects becasue I will have to remove money from somewhere and Corona is not a base software, it's a render engine, as much as I like it.

In the end, is not that your SaaS price is not good, it is good, for me is great, as I said, as a side wing for my renderfarm, I don't need the rendefarm fed always, I can manage to work during the project with just 8 licenses (2 WS and 6 render) and pay for some nodes when it's needed, but I don't want to depend on my bank to keep working, I want to own my tools because if I don't have money, I have my tools to gain some more.

Now about my affirmation not being true, I thought I should have written "it feels that..." because I don't have data, anyways I know a lot of people that thought that SaaS (in general) is great until they start thinking in things like I told here, or when they start to pay for everything in SaaS mode, I have a friend that decided to go on SaaS with Unity, no he can't pay for it and it's locked up, he can't finish his project, the only solution was me helping him for free because I own my licenses so I don't depend on money to work with Unity, the same goes for Corona or for any tool I have.

Adobe is the only SaaS I have to keep, and I will get rid of it as son as I can, i'm looking for alternatives for After Effects and Photoshop, there are some for the first one, but there is no real alternative for photoshop, but I'll manage to found some way throught it.

Now regarding what DeadClown said, I think that way, SaaS is not evil, in fact SaaS could be great for a lot of people, what you do keeping Box license is the way to go IMHO, it just felt that you love SaaS a lot and leave the Box licenses with less love, like the ugly son hehehe, it felt that way because after the first wave of comments you modified a lot of things in the SaaS model like giving an increased render node option, but with Box licenses you just removed the 90 days of grace for subscription and that's it, that doesn't felt good, at least for me as a Box customer (bear in mind I don't say it in an angry tone or anything, it's just how it felt), but I always kept in mind you were trying to be fair while remaining in business.

Anyways I'm happy for people that like SaaS , I have to insist SaaS is not evil, is great as an option, wich is what you are doing, and me, from my side, I'm grateful to you for not offering just SaaS.

About the general disappointment regarding box, you may be right but I've already read some people saying that they won't be able to afford it here, but Ondra, you could be right, and it may be that this small group it's just too loud (I may be inside that group I assume)

Anyways, i'll keep purchasing Corona Box license, and with my comments about the pricing and subscription for Box I'm trying to be constructive on giving plausible options that could keep you going with what you need but will let more users that want the box model in.

And fianlly, why people understand 350+99 is worse than 450, well, I don't understand that either, and I tried to explain that 350+99 is better than 450€, but I think that people is seeing it as 450€ no matter what since once you acquire Corona you have to acquire the subscription no matter what or you won't be able to enter on it, and maybe that's what people are saying, if you want kept up to date you have no option to chime in later, so the real price is 450€ no 350€+99€, I'm playing the devils advocate here, because I will always prefer to have the option to not acquire the subscription, but really think about giving the option for a delayed subscription acquisition, even when the subs time counts from the license purchase date, not from the subscription purchase date, this can relax the thing about having to acquire the subs right away and spending 99€ more.

Another thing that I don't understand, and more people here have spoken about, is the thing that the SaaS will be flaoting, while the Box wont, as I say, it feel a bit like in the end the box licenses is poorly treated than the SaaS (my words may sound hars, but I wont them to sound harse, I want just to comment this out because I've been thinking on how to expose this since the second post about pricing was published but I thought that this oculd offend or something similar, so bear in mind that I don't want to offend please), maybe the floating thing is not true, because I don't remember seeing anything completely clear about it, I think you said that this parts of the licenses were not completely decided yet.

Cheers.

2014-11-05, 16:20:17
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I wrote my post while you were posting guys, so let me add:

Yes, I can have 450€ and not have a penny tomorrow, is how it works for us, there are moments in the year werer we have very little money, if anything, so we can have 450€ but no money tomorrow, this is not a matter of opinion, it's just how it works for us, and for a lot of small studios and freelancers I know.

And about why we don't see that possibility, becasue I passed hard times with more than one year without a job in the past, the crysis hit was BIG here, I eliminated my funds and my reservations and I haven't had a penny for work, I wasn't able to pay even the light and my house, I had loaned money from my family to pay he basics, so yes, I've been in the situation where paying 25€/month may be impossible, even when you don't think this is possible, belive me, it is possible, so I prefer to pay for my tools when I have money and assure my self that if I don't have money in the future I will be able to work and recover, with SaaS that is not possible, you may be capable of organizing your money in a way were if you have 450€ for the SaaS license you can keep it, but in my case, if there is money in the bank there are incidentals in my life that require that money so I won't be able to dedicate that money for that, really I think you are not thinking that those situations are possible, but I lived one of those situations a few, very few, years ago, and now I'm a father, I cannot risk to loose my tools for my job, no matter the economics of tomorroy, I live today, if I have the money today I'll acquire my tools to keep them for tomorrow, if I have money tomorrow, I'll be happy with my money and my tools :)

Bear in mind that in my case for example, I don't have any loan form the bank, I never had, I've always lived from my work, in day to day basis, and for me it's impossible to do it in other way, because we have a lot of competition that uses piracy, we have a lot of people that lives from the government subsidys, it's hard to live here and be completely legal and live from your work, that is why I don't trust in the future, I trust in the present, I build my home in the present so I'll have shelter in the future, that is my way of thinking at least, nad I think is the same way boumay thinks.

Cheers.

P.S.: BTW, as a side note, in the boumay example is 400$ just for work, but if you don't have work, you don't have money, and the SaaS has to be paid upfront, so we don't have money, we can get a job, but we don't have money for SaaS because we are not going to be paid up to three months after we finish the job, so this can render us without money around 4 or 5 months, so how will we pay those 400$/month to accept the job?
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2014-11-05, 16:42:10
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About the general disappointment regarding box, you may be right but I've already read some people saying that they won't be able to afford it here, but Ondra, you could be right, and it may be that this small group it's just too loud (I may be inside that group I assume)

Expected conversion rate in software sales is about 5% - meaning generally when a company starts to monetize, 1 in 20 users will be willing to pay for anything. We know we will lose a lot of users, and we are prepared for it. It might suck, but bottom line is that we need money to get something back for our investments, and to keep the development going. I was expecting this.

What I was not expecting is so many people being butthurt, as if they were expecting Corona to stay free forever. I am sorry, but I had only one life savings to burn through when developing Corona. Or even worse, people putting themselves on moral high ground, lecturing us on greed without actually knowing shit about real costs of running a company doing software development. I assume they just want to feel good about themselves when they will later steal it. But it still pisses me off, knowing what offers I had turned down because I did not want to screw our users.
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2014-11-05, 16:46:27
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Yes, I can have 450€ and not have a penny tomorrow

Hypothetical question: if you cannot set aside 450€ for SaaS payments... what would you do if you used the money for Box purchase? Loanshark? Starvation? ;)
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2014-11-05, 16:56:13
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lecturing us on greed without actually knowing shit about real costs of running a company doing software development

I hope you don't refer to me with this (I have not read anyone else saying anything about greed, but I may be wrong), but what I said is exactly the opposite, you are NOT being greed, Cebas is from my POV they already had a good development cycle but users probably stop upgrading, don't know why, so they decide that SaaS was the only way to access their software, from my POV that is greed, you  are not being greed IMHO, I don't want to lecture you at all, I think you tried to keep things under control and you tried to find the better way for everyone, I did lecture Cebas of course.

I'm happy with your prices, but I'm trying to explain, from my POV, why SaaS is not for us, and why it is dangerous for freelancers and small studios IMO,

Also, anwering your question, I don't know, in the past I was able to cancel things like internet or the cell phone an yet keep working to recover myself lowering the monthly cost to the most basic things, electricity and home, I even cutted back from food when needed, and no, no loans at all, not in all my life, and yes, a bit of starvation XD and that allowed me to recover myself and today have money for Corona :)

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2014-11-05, 17:20:10
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I am sorry, but I had only one life savings to burn through when developing Corona. Or even worse, people putting themselves on moral high ground, lecturing us on greed without actually knowing shit about real costs of running a company doing software development. I assume they just want to feel good about themselves when they will later steal it. But it still pisses me off, knowing what offers I had turned down because I did not want to screw our users.

I think like juang3d about saas and other things, in fact I'm in the same situation.
And I also talked about greed, but:
We didn't lecture on you greed, we said saas-"only" is greed. And, I can tell you that we know what it costs to run a company.
As for the last statement about people wanting to feel good about themselves when they'll steal it, I hope you don't think that about us. You just have to analyze what juang said, as well as me, to see that we are very concerned by respecting other's right, and we don't use piracy at all, all of my software is licensed for instance, while I could pirate them at any time.
We are just advising to what we think is right. :)

2014-11-05, 17:29:01
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Hypothetical question: if you cannot set aside 450€ for SaaS payments... what would you do if you used the money for Box purchase? Loanshark? Starvation? ;)

The way I see it, the BOX model is an investment. You buy something, you keep it. That's why it is appealing to some of us, like in my case, freelancers.

Take that same money in the Saas model, and it is like putting an expiration date on something you've bought. What if in 2 years time our business has gone wrong and we don't have money to pay the Saas license? We have no way to work.

If in 2 years time I need to work and have no money, I still can, even if it's an obsolete piece of software, to try to get back on business.

2014-11-05, 17:31:30
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Completely agree with you, boumay, of course I don't even though Keymaster could be referring to us regarding piracy, and of course, any comment I post here is to be constructive, I dedicate too much time writing to dedicate it to do any other thing, I just write my thoughts because I think you hear and analyze things, you could even decide things that has nothing to do with what I said, but I have the feeling that you listen and analazy things, wich is great.

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2014-11-05, 17:37:42
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BTW I completely agree with Juang3D and boumays opinions.

If we would be thinking of pirating the software we would probably not be here discussing about licensing options. We're just trying to show our opinions about your licensing methods.

I don't know what the poll results were... but my guess is quite a few of those Saas-happy voters may not last as much as most of Box licensees, which are thinking in a longer term, not just the immediate future.

2014-11-05, 17:52:08
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I don't know what the poll results were... but my guess is quite a few of those Saas-happy voters may not last as much as most of Box licensees, which are thinking in a longer term, not just the immediate future.

Possibly, but on the other hand, an saas option may attract people who just want to try Corona for a while and don't want to pay the whole thing upfront ;) . Plus, if you already invested a lot of time (materials, scenes, workflow) it's more likely that you stay with it, thus renew your saas contract.
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2014-11-05, 18:06:49
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Possibly, but on the other hand, an saas option may attract people who just want to try Corona for a while and don't want to pay the whole thing upfront ;) . Plus, if you already invested a lot of time (materials, scenes, workflow) it's more likely that you stay with it, thus renew your saas contract.
saas is very good as an option, in fact it's actually better with it beside box license, more choices=better.
That's saas-only that is bad for users.

2014-11-05, 18:27:27
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Possibly, but on the other hand, an saas option may attract people who just want to try Corona for a while and don't want to pay the whole thing upfront ;) . Plus, if you already invested a lot of time (materials, scenes, workflow) it's more likely that you stay with it, thus renew your saas contract.

Well, that's just what I wrote a few posts back talking about the hook effect of the Saas model... On the business side it's perfect, but man, i wouldn't consider a business model based on that particularly "fair"

Now, come-and-goers left aside... What about the ones that really want to make an investment and actually stay with Corona? I'm very dissapointed with the box price tag, I suppose many of us are, and think the licensing options are very biased towards Saas. It's a big letdown.

I was decided to go with Corona, but right now I have big doubts I'll be making the jump.

2014-11-05, 19:14:00
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Saas is not only for Buisness perfect, even if you do not use Corona Saas option for making money with it....

If 3d is a "hobby" for you, and not your "Job", i think th Saas is the best choice at a very good Pricing i think.

If you do other things like watching the newest movies in cinemas, bowling or such, you must pay for the most things ......



2014-11-05, 19:31:23
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Well, that's just what I wrote a few posts back talking about the hook effect of the Saas model... On the business side it's perfect, but man, i wouldn't consider a business model based on that particularly "fair"

I meant "business", regarding the developers side of business, how the developers make their profit. Not regarding us the users. I find this Saas business model specially unfair for long term users.


2014-11-05, 19:37:22
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 I'm very dissapointed with the box price tag, ..., and think the licensing options are very biased towards Saas.


I find this Saas business model specially unfair for long term users.

Don't take me wrong :- ) This is not my business I am just trying to figure how would you rather balance it... ? Because these 2 statements seem to be contradictory.
At the moment there is a bias, which I believe is intentional, it's simply developers's choice to do.

If you find SaaS unfair then what is the issue with price of box ? If you would lower the price of box, the bias would be towards box then. Seems like...a circle ?

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Hi Juraj... I don't see the circle. :)

I see two ways of balancing it. Either lowering the entry price of box (which i find too high, and is the reason of all my complaining). Or in Saas, giving the chance of keeping the license after the Box price is equaled (or maybe a bit higher to compensate). (Saas) 25€ x 18 months = 450€ (Box)

I guess it's a half and half solution... It may sound bogus, but i just can't stand the fact after X months of Saas (sorry didn't do the math, the 18 months above are probably incorrect if you account for updates..), your Corona would be more expensive than Box, and if you stop paying you're left with nothing.

2014-11-05, 20:26:25
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Wait, I don't think the Box price is too high, it's just I was expecting a price tag a bit under the price, and the other thing I said is that when the pricing scheme was revamped there was a lot of attention towards the SaaS licensing, including the render node licensing and such, but for the Box license there was nothing except removing the 90 days of grace, so there was nothing positive but something negative.

Now the SaaS model mixed with Box model is great becuase there is choice, and that is great, and of course the price tag should be decided by devs deciding it based on their maths, not on our desires, wich we express here, but that doesn't mean that the Box price is unfair or insanely high, I think is great, but a bit more flexibility could be great, that's why I proposed the "late subscription" option, that wont add any mess to the management of the licenses, wich was one of the main concerns Keymaster and the team had based on what I read about licensing.

And the other thing was about the floating license in SaaS and not floating in Box, what I see is a big bias towards SaaS and less love for Box, wich was stated by the team, that were pretty honest explaining their choices and theis point of view, but I would like a big more love towards the Box license model, maybe not as much as the SaaS wich is the preferred by the team, but a  bit more :)

Anyways, of ocurse we can speak all we want and expose our POV's, the decision has to be made by the team and, at least in my case, I won't change my mind about thinking about them as a pretty fair team and really commited towards their users and product, becuase they demonstrated that in the past and with all their explanations and involvement here.

Keymaster I think you got upset, maybe for my words, please don't be, I'm always trying to be as constructive as possible and of course with the best of the intentions, accept my apologies if I bothered you, and read my messages in a constructive way please, also I think the others are sharing the same idea.

Cheers.

2014-11-05, 20:44:50
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I agree with you Juang3d. You're right about the price not being unfair nor too high, just like you were I was expecting something under the pricetag of other more mature render engines. I guess I expressed it that way due to my dissapointment.

The thing that fueled all my complaining was all that love for Saas, and the crudeness of the Box option.

Just like you said, the decissions have to be taken by the team, and this is just our sandbox to express ideas and concerns. Same way, it is much appreciated that the team is listening and responding to our concerns.

I just hope all this leads to a new proposal, cause right now I'm serously considering sailing away from Corona :(

2014-11-05, 20:50:02
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I have read through all these comments here and I still cannot seem to figure out how can you constantly argue about 20€ saas cost that you will have to spend monthly on something that brings food to your table and at the same time you spend the same amount for lets say 2 packs of cigarettes - daily. I am not referring to anyone specifically, just saying that the price is really right if you look at it that way.

I, for one, definitely prefer saas over box license, anytime (and that's using Corona for my freelance work - since we are still stuck with V-Ray on my regular job). Even if I go solo in the end I will always be up for saas. Box is an old concept, we are living in a world where technology is changing on daily basis, where you buy boxed software today and in 2 months you get an upgrade that you would really need and you have to pay extra for it... why do this, why throw money away infront? Simply rent it and get all the latest updated that you need - for as long as you need them.

I have changed my complete workflow into saas. Using Office subscription, Adobe subscription, Max subscription at work and I will use Corona subscription as well. Only cancer in my line is V-Ray which I cannot wait to get rid of (give me dispersion in Corona please?!?!).
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I have read through all these comments here and I still cannot seem to figure out how can you constantly argue about 20€ saas cost that you will have to spend monthly on something that brings food to your table and at the same time you spend the same amount for lets say 2 packs of cigarettes - daily. I am not referring to anyone specifically, just saying that the price is really right if you look at it that way.

I, for one, definitely prefer saas over box license, anytime (and that's using Corona for my freelance work - since we are still stuck with V-Ray on my regular job). Even if I go solo in the end I will always be up for saas. Box is an old concept, we are living in a world where technology is changing on daily basis, where you buy boxed software today and in 2 months you get an upgrade that you would really need and you have to pay extra for it... why do this, why throw money away infront? Simply rent it and get all the latest updated that you need - for as long as you need them.

I have changed my complete workflow into saas. Using Office subscription, Adobe subscription, Max subscription at work and I will use Corona subscription as well. Only cancer in my line is V-Ray which I cannot wait to get rid of (give me dispersion in Corona please?!?!).

100% agree

2014-11-05, 21:55:30
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I suppose the point is that for the user if you can afford the initial (relatively cheap) upfront cost of box then you only need to pay 99 euro a year for all the same updates you get with saas for 300 euro a year.

I'm also surprised that people find the box price high. I can't think of any serious renderer that's cheaper. Folks are saying that they are willing to pay 125 a month on max but not 25 on corona.
How do people afford max, photoshop, Maybe currently vray or maxwell etc and a decent pc to run it all on but think 450 euro for corona is going to make the difference between surviving and not.

2014-11-05, 22:05:16
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I think the prices are good! I also think the corona team have really tried to find a price and a licensing that suits as many as possible.

Corona has also been free for a very long time (I myself have used it for about 1,5 years now on and off) and as far as I remember Alpha v6 is free forever? I feel that that´s extremely nice of the corona team!

And that is then also a possibility, to use Alpha v6 without having to pay anything. I understand that everybody wants the latest stuff but I think Alpha v6 was a very capable version.

This is just my opinion and thought I´d share some positive feedback here :)

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2014-11-05, 23:10:01
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That's what I've told, a lot of people that love SaaS is not responsible of paying all the licenses they need, they work in other companies and do some casual freelancing, anyways if SaaS is what you need, then great, SaaS could be great for a lot of people, it is not for me as my main licenses, it is great as a side wing license, I said it already.

Once again, the Box license price is not high, I don't understand why some of you keep saying that, it's just that it is higher than what I was expecting, that doesn't mean it is expensive or unfair, and BTW I'm not willing to pay 125€/month for max, I'm not that crazy, is the situation were we can found ourselves, and if that time comes I will migrate to another pacakge, I can assure you that, but also think that without max you can pay for corona... but you can do nothing... unless you work with blender or another pacakge, wich I will have to do if things evolve to SaaS :)

Guys I think I failed to make my point, so I retire from this conversation, I will acquire my licenses and work with them, and that's it, I htink I tried to explain things ina clear way without underestimate anyone situation, but trying to show other situations that may have been overlooked and that affect to more people than it seems, but clearly I failed in making my point, you have my opinion and I hope there is something constructive and something that is useful to improve a bit more the licensing scheme, or if there is nothing plausible, then it's ok, it's just my POV without all the info, so that's it for me regarding this :)

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2014-11-05, 23:53:35
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I'm not willing to pay 125€/month for max, I'm not that crazy,

Where did you guys originally find this price ?

I've checked what "pay as you go" cost right now and this is what I see for EU region:

Available from:
195 € /month
Add Advanced Support for 40 €/month
or 1.560 € /year
Add Advanced Support for 330 €/year

(Of course, US is again 185 dollars = 145 euro, wtf, if you pay as go, you pay directly, not through reseller, there is no localization or support, both prices are without VAT)
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people get to choose between cheap and cheap and switch from one to another any time and what they do? Complaaain... :D

2014-11-06, 11:04:23
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Really I don't understand what do you have that fixation with "complain", we are not complaining, we are trying to be constructive and add some point of views that are not being understood while we are saying "the price is good, it's not expensive but...", but you keep going with the "complain"... Ok, it's impossible, I understood that.

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2014-11-06, 11:33:08
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Really I don't understand what do you have that fixation with "complain", we are not complaining, we are trying to be constructive and add some point of views that are not being understood while we are saying "the price is good, it's not expensive but...", but you keep going with the "complain"... Ok, it's impossible, I understood that.

Cheers.

Alright then, I might be viewing this from a wrong angle or something. Being not a smartest person in the world excuse me if I don't understand something.

The way I see things now is like this:

1. If corona does currently all you need in near future, get box and don't care if you don't rely on latest stuff which we don't even know what will be updated / added to corona and what is planned for next year or so.. You can use corona for your work everything is just fine, pay fixed price and no need to even care about saas model or subscription.. especialy with low budget and variable low income.. All problems solved. And if you see some news about corona getting something new you could use, try for a month for 25 euros and if it will be worth upgrading, get new box licence or switch to saas.

2. If you already see that updates and new stuff for corona is alway something useful and that you might need all this new things all the time pay cheap monthly price and you get all the best newest stuff.. And again if development starts stagnating and updates are not enough valuable for you then stop and switch to box and don't care anymore..

The only problem that could ever happen here is if one or another of options would be not available:

1. If development would go box licencing only, they could postpone major feature upgrades to new major versions so that you could be forced to upgrade every year full box price.

2. If development would go saas only, no matter how fair it looks, they could find different reasons to up the price every year or so and they would not need to develop any major updates until competition would force them cause you cannot stop paying if you want to use it.

Right now you are free to choose, not forced into anything and you are choosing between cheap and cheap and you have upper hand on the development and somehow you still want more... more options more something more cheap... who is greedy here?

Yes I might missunderstood your constructive criticism or something... But I'm not responding to you personaly but to everyone who feels they should get more.. You got corona for free for long enough to know how the development works so please show some support not just monetary but also show some respect. Because it seems that even if it would be one euro per month and 10 for box even then some people would go crazy about it.

I would go 1500 euro box only free updates(no major new features), unlimited nodes, and I would find a way to force you upgrade every year and I would not even be having this discussion with you and I would still be a hero fighting against saas model. And you would have no choice. Would you like being this kind of slave more?

these are just my opinions, don't take it personally no one I'm having a bad day :D... sorry

2014-11-06, 11:54:00
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OK, i read right trough it, everything is pretty well explained...
NOW i have issue with Box license, you only offer 3 render nodes? So you want to tell me that is fair that i give you money up front with no options for upgrade unless i want to pay subscription of 99e per year and then i have to pay upgrade to any other major release 2.0 or 3.0 and so on?
I want this RS to succeed and i am willing to go with BOX as that is best way to support developers from start, i can go over no updates, additional subscription but 3 %$@#*&! render nodes, are you kidding me? So just cuz i have more then 3 RN i need to go SAAS? How is that fair.
And i know those updates sound good but i never ever do updates unless they are major fixes and i need them ASAP in middle of the project. So personally that it is small benefit to me.
Please reconsider those ridiculous number(3) of render nodes in BOX model to something more reasonable... I know it is thin line and you do not want to offer 10 free render nodes forever so someone could use them for large farms but 3 nodes is too low, and your official solution is to buy another license for WS just so i could use it for render nodes...  Or to change my settup by upgrading nodes and adding more processors per computer thus making my nodes efficient perf. per watt in long run(Electricity, storage, heat and so on)...
I know 349 makes it cheaper then other RS but 3 render nodes :D i know i keep obsessing... 
Edit: after all those links(it is changed... etc.) You can go SAAS 24.99 1_WS + 5_RN doesn't say for how much as it is promo, or if you choose not to pay one month or if that license expire do you pay regular price or it still stays same... 300e per year free upgrades and all kind of stuff
BOX: 2 License so you could use lets say 5 nodes and one WS that is with promo discount 700e per year... You get fix but not major updates...
Not fair deal, you are pushing me in SAAS territory... Actually i don't know who will in his right mind go for BOX unless he doesn't care. Why you have Box at all then, as false competitor?
« Last Edit: 2014-11-06, 12:06:56 by Coronaut »

2014-11-06, 12:20:29
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Guys I think I failed to make my point, so I retire from this conversation,

You have been very clear in your explanations, don't worry.

@lacilaci
I think you've pretty well summed up the thing about box and saas.

And I guess people didn't understand what we tried to say in these last posts because, actually the conversation has shifted, while being highly related.
I agree I said that I was expecting a lower price, mostly, and I don't know if people remember the article, because the developpers themselves were suggesting us that corona will always be cheap and, even that it may remain free in a certain way, so you can't blame us to see it "not cheap" when it comes out to more expensive than redshift for instance. Anyway, it's only my opinion after all, and I'm ready to buy it because I think it is still worth it.

But the point, in fact, is that we began to talk about the general saas-ONLY model and argued about it, but we didn't really precised it so people got confused, thinking we were generally complaining.

The reason why we did is because we felt that corona team was leaning towards saas-only in the future, and we wanted to expose the desaster it will be for many of us.

And I'm sure, after reflexion, that the saas-only defenders will actually realize how bad this model is for freelancers and mid-size companies, that many of them will simply close their doors in profit of the big corporations. The rich becomes richer and makes the poor poorer.
This model is in the logic of the greedy capitalism market who eats everything on its way, destroying people and countries.

2014-11-06, 12:40:38
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Ok, I'm out, as I said my target was not to complain at all, but to add some point of views of a Box  licenses purchaser, I don't see SaaS as a license for me at all, just as a temporal companion to Box, and since I'm a Box license I see some problems regarding this kind of licenses, with the words "Price is ok" before everything I said I added some points that IMHO could be improved in the Box licenses to make them better while maintaining teh devs income related to this license mode, becasue that is what matter here, the dev team needs money to live and they've made their numbers, the price tag comes out from that numbers, so I tried to think things that can make the Box license better without affecting those numbers in a negative way, in any case, a positive way, maybe this has not been understood that way and I explained myself wrong, and I'm sorry for that, and as I've said I'm out of this, I should stay quiet in that last post, it's just that I feel that everything I posted is being understood as a complain or is being ignored, and neither of those two options make sense to me to stay here talking about this.

Coronaut they already said that they prefer the SaaS model, and I don't find unfair that they prefer customers into SaaS model and they've always been clear about this respect, and I thank them for that, so they do it more appealing, that's not unfair, it's business you will make more appealing the option you want to work on more, and that is perfectly right, I just wanted them to improve a bit the Box license, but really this is being understood from the wrong angle, as a negative conversation, and that was not my intention, so I'm really sorry for that.

As I said I'll acquire my Box licenses and will keep using Corona even with some SaaS licenses from time to time because I have the option and once again, I'm grateful about this, and I'll keep trying to help and to participate here, but I'm out of the License matter discussion :)

Cheers!

P.S.: I hope I don't feel tempted on chiming in again, I'll try as hard as I can! :)

2014-11-06, 12:49:11
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juang3d: dont worry, I was not pointing any fingers at you specifically. It was at some other people I was to lazy to go back through this thread to find... and then Coronaut chimed in and gave me a prime example of a fanatic post with no respect to our work, that makes me want to just sell corona and retire.
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2014-11-06, 13:16:47
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Fanatic post? And with no respect to your work... since you are pushing someone in something he doesn't want like subscription. I never said anything disrespectful to you or corona and not only that but it is quite opposite, and only thing that pokes my eyes now is when i have opinion that is differ then your suggestion of 3 render nodes and few more questions it is like "no respect to our work and i want to sell and retire"
Giving promise is one thing and good for you that you can keep them but making someone accepting it is another... I do see BOX model as ugly sister of a bride offered so you do not think too much what you will pick...
Lay it down on paper sum it up and everything should be clear and clearly SAAS is better...
Pricing is fair and 700e is still bargain(even for box) and it would be bargain even for SAAS, but there is small amount of BS going on here like false competitor BOX and it is so ridiculous that punishes people who want to invest in your development at start and support your developing and willing to pay upgrades every year. Only thing they want is copy of fully working RS for a year that will be usable even if something goes wrong or whatever reason might be.
Anyhow...

2014-11-06, 13:29:46
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Since there seems to be a little misconception.. concerning box, you have two options:
A) Buy box without subscription and pay for the 2.0, 3.0, etc when they come out
OR
B) buy box with subscription and get the 2.0, 3.0 updates automatically without having to pay any updates ever

Btw, some people were actually expressing their opinion that saas would be the "unfair" option because box will become "cheaper" at about the 3rd year. So some feel that way, others feel the exact opposite...
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2014-11-06, 14:12:21
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I will collate all this:
BOX: 1ws+5nodes=700+99+99 subscriptions so it is 900 + if i am not mistaken subscription for BOX is 99per year per license as i need 2 of them... combined costs for 3 years is 1300euros. Anyhow it is still cheap for this product. If i decide not to update after one year i will end up with release 1.0 and some updates or fix and i will be able to use that forever just for 350+99 or 700+198 if i buy 2 license for extra nodes.

SAAS: 24.99 month(1ws+5nodes) x 12= 300e x 3years it is 900euros. 300e per year with all updates, soon you decide not to pay anymore from whatever reason your license will expire and you wouldn't be able to work anymore with Corona. So basically this is renting with so much benefits that are good enough to reconsider choosing this option.

If this calculations are so disrespectful. Then this bellow is even more disrespectful then.

If you are what you say You are, and you are willing to give opportunity to someone(buyers) to punish you by choosing not to subscribe anymore and take his business somewhere else. This is your BIGGEST selling point, right?
Why there is double price(double as in i need to pay double license) for BOX when in fact is the same? Could it be as they(buyers) would have fully functioning version of corona and still be able to punish you if something goes south but instead of nothing they will be able to work with it?
Why don't you place your money where your mouth is and offer BOX at same price or proportionally higher by adding more nodes or at least option for upgrade node license same as SAAS have?

Option to choose for myself to upgrade every year voluntarily and stay with you and support you as developer on basis that you are offering better and better product, as you claim you will and probably you will... Then i probably wouldn't question your determination to be fair to anyone using your product.
That is why i think SAAS is pushy...
Now i get that there is other side of the coin(your side) as you do not want to get fucked over by piracy or whatever, but i can't offer you anything else except supporting your development by purchasing your software if everything is working so i do not end up my support and i do think that is fair arrangement.
SAAS provides your security but making end user being dependent of you and not owning anything and it is better agreement right now but since there is nothing absolute in life then nothing guarantees me that you will sell your business and eventually leave us with 3rd party or whatever that comes to your mind.
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2014-11-06, 14:30:19
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Personally I feel saas model is fantastic option especially for those starting up. Start up costs are killer.. so this really helps guys out in a similar position to myself.
I can't wait for the release! dead keen to make use of interactive.

2014-11-06, 14:51:04
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Some of the reactions on here have surprised me. I'm not a fan of the "Rental" way software development is going due, in part because our human nature is to want to own something. I dont like the idea of having to pay to do hobby work if i was no longer working upon retirement or change of careers. Here is where i think Adobe dropped the ball in not providing a long standing solution. How hard would it be to provide users that have subscribed for 5 - 10 years a perpetual licence of whatever version they stop their subscription at. No upgrades but they can still access all their work etc without losing features.(CS6 and CC)

At least corona is providing us options and is not just rental. And not too expensive ones either. The box model is not expensive, for what is a very robust high quality engine that is only going to improve. For those that cant afford the outright cost you can jump on the SaaS version and can buy the box when they have the funds if thats what they choose.

In the end it has to be financially viable not just to cover costs but also turn over a profit as we are all entitled to the fruits of our labour. Cash flow is better and more stable under rental so i understand why that is the preferred option for developing. Saas is subsidised for quick cheap uptake of the engine and all the benefits associated with Saas. Yes this becomes more expensive than buying outright, but that is the point, it has to balance the books for development AND profit and you get more extras.

The options are there so if you don't want one choose the other. SaaS is not interest free credit to buy the software. I think the license flexibilty provided is an exemplary example of trying to do what's best for users WHILE having a successful business and product. The options are fairly balanced in my opinion.

I do think there is space in these rental schemes for a "loyalty reward" that says after a certain amount of time leasing you gain permanent access to whatever version you stop subscription at. Therefore giving your money some future value. The lack of this feature is my biggest gripe with rental options, that I would be completely stuck in to paying if i ever wanted to do any work with old files or hobby work after my time in a paid career has ended.

Apologies for the Tome of writing, I just find what you guys at Corona have created is perhaps the best example of open product and software development I have seen. I hope you reap the rewards from your hard work and staying true to your original goals.

2014-11-06, 15:37:01
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And I'm sure, after reflexion, that the saas-only defenders will actually realize how bad this model is for freelancers and mid-size companies, that many of them will simply close their doors in profit of the big corporations. The rich becomes richer and makes the poor poorer.
This model is in the logic of the greedy capitalism market who eats everything on its way, destroying people and countries.

I think this is the point where this discussion became off the reaches of normal and should be ceased.

In business no one owes you anything, and by same logic, no one forces you to do anything. No one forces anyone into SaaS, and if someone doesn't like the choice, he doesn't need to choose at all,
but he's surely not a victim at any point.


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2014-11-06, 17:00:24
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i agree with juraj,  i think this conversation is going nowhere at this point, the only thing i know is that there is a software called corona render, its a good product, i need it for my work, and im wainting for the Legal OWNER to say what price should i have to pay, to use it, im so sorry everybody  thank you corona team for the SAAS  for me OK!! (when i have enough   money to spend  (in one time ("i need to eat every day")  probably the BOX)

2014-11-06, 18:46:09
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I think this is the point where this discussion became off the reaches of normal and should be ceased.

In business no one owes you anything, and by same logic, no one forces you to do anything. No one forces anyone into SaaS, and if someone doesn't like the choice, he doesn't need to choose at all,
but he's surely not a victim at any point.

I should remind that, in this phrase, I talk about the SaaS-"ONLY" model.
Will you deny the fact that adobe or AD behavior in SaaS-only is a child of capitalism for instance? Greed profit at all costs, even if they are already mutli-billionaires, and no matter who is destroyed in the process. Capitalism at its best.
I don't call anybody to communism, this is also a bad model, but between the two, there is a healthy way.
Anyway, I didn't want to shift the discussion to this subject, it was just like a signature, to give a morality at the end of my words. I always like to discuss ethics and moral with people and I like for others what I like for myself.

I won't talk about this furthermore, because the thread has to remain what it is, but just one or two things.
Of course the base is freedom, but there is a point where your behavior can become toxic. You can't deny the human and moral dimension in every relation we have between each other, even in business.

Juraj, if what I said became off the reaches of normal or didn't make sense, then ask yourself:

Why a large amount of users are so angry against adobe and AD? These companies don't owe anything to users, isn't it?
So, are users right? or are they saying things off the reaches of normal?
Then, think about what you would say to them, would you tell them that if they don't like the choice, they just don't have to choose at all?
Would you tell them that, if they don't like, they are free to leave?
Do you think things are that straightforward in life? 0 or 1?

I don't ask to answer my post here, just questions for yourself.

Kindly, :)
boumay.

2014-11-06, 19:04:47
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Even though Adam states Adobe as a way how not to do SaaS, I love how they did it :- ).

Adobe Photoshop CS6 Pro/Extended costed updards of 800-999 euro in most of EU regions.

Adobe CC which is on par of Pro, not the regular version now costs 20 euros a month (or half of that if you take the Photography deal and owned PS+LR licence previously).
So it would take 4 years until I would pay it to level of CS, at which point, there would already be CS(X+2) at least. Both their model and pricing is excellent, I have little understanding
for  issues with "not owning" anything. By the time this could cause issue, given items or service could be obsolete, moving this into literally academic and theoretical issue. And I am realist.

I don't see what it has to do with Capitalism. Companies are private entities, entitled for right of their own choices. You as customer in free market, are free to follow or not. There is nothing negative
about companies not being able to please everyone, they can't and they don't have to. If it proves to be wrong decision, the market will punish them.

I said it became off the reaches of normal because it was downright rude and offending towards developers. You can't call normal business choice greedy and capitalist because it doesn't fit your point of view in life.
You have to be little bit more objective.
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goddamnit, I just cannot resist a good shitstorm!

Will you deny the fact that adobe or AD behavior in SaaS-only is a child of capitalism for instance? Greed profit at all costs, even if they are already mutli-billionaires, and no matter who is destroyed in the process. Capitalism at its best.

This is just not true.
1) It looks like you are saying greed is caused by capitalism. That is not true, greed exists in every system, even in communism. The key difference is that while communism is not aware of this fact, and fails because it does not take this fact into account, capitalism is aware of this fact, and works even when people are greedy
2) In capitalism, if one company drives the prices up, another company will sooner or later arise to take the market. If we had a monopoly in render engines, and decided we will now provide only 1 render node free, and each subsequent one will cost, I dont know, say 250 euro, sooner or later some other developer would arrive and steal our customers with lower prices and/or better product. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you to use specific product... at least in capitalism, in communism it is different ;)
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2014-11-06, 19:18:58
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2014-11-06, 19:31:45
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Its always refreshing to come back to this post from time to time.

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2014-11-06, 20:22:34
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I said it became off the reaches of normal because it was downright rude and offending towards developers.

Aah, I understand why you said that now. :)
: ) No, it's not what you thought. You missed the fact where I said that I'm not talking about corona team in these statements, I even repeated it in my last post, I'm talking about SaaS-"only", like adobe and AD are doing. Sorry for your misunderstanding, I think everything is fine then :)
And I also said previously that the corona model is indeed the best, because there is the choice between Box and SaaS. What becomes toxic, is when you remove this choice and go SaaS-only. You'll say that we would then be free to switch package, that's right in theory, but... again, is it that realistic in practice?
And yes, we are in a capitalist free market, where you are free to make your choices... in theory.

If you want to know more, there are a lot of contents explaining the bad consequences of capitalism (as well as communism lol, I won't develop because it is not the place, a good thing is that knowledge is available with internet now.

This has indeed a lot to do with capitalism, this is the law of the strongest, where greed is the motivation, the strongest takes the power, and this system drives him to eliminate anybody else and take a monopoly position, and then troubles begin.
Look at how multinational companies have taken monopolism over all sectors? Google, Microsoft, etc, and look at what results from their behavior.
One quick example that comes in my mind: are we free to use anything else but Windows on pc? In theory, there is linux, but in practice?
Are we free to use blender? Yes, of course, but realistically?
So, you can see that freedom "seems" to be there, when it actually isn't.

@keymaster
I saw you posted while I was writing.
No, I don't say that greed is "caused" by capitalism, of course not. Greed is a bad caracteristic of human being that he has to fight in order to live decently. There is indeed greed in every society, no doubt. But the problem with capitalism is that it encourages and feed greed! No matter who dies on its path. We could talk about the many branches of capitalism, like the debt system and IMF killing poor countries (and even western ones!), privatizations  choking populations, etc, but again, that's not adequate here. :)
No, with capitalism, especially as we are seeing now, no, you won't see another render engine making you lower prices or steal your customers, but you'll see Autodesk coming to your door, buying corona and absorbing you, you'll only be a simple employee of this giant corporation running the corona departement, or you would have sold it to them, being left with nothing you "own".
This may have already occured in the past, and it will certainlly again; you resisted... but for how long? Capitalism business men beast are greedy and keep a watch on you.

All this to explain why sometimes I like to remind people about moral values and good behavior, even if the thread is cg related: to have a better life with our own consciences and with others in society. But this is another topic related to sociology and psychology which I won't develop here of course :)

2014-11-06, 22:25:34
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@keymaster. I haven't found anything since I use Corona I can complain about.
Except from this discussion maybe :).

I'm an architect and Corona has  changed my architectural workflow in a very positive way.

We work with a lot with freelance architects on different projects. The fair Saas is perfect for us. We can easily scale up and scale down our business. Very flexible!

btw. We profit from freelancers like real capitalists :)
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2014-11-06, 22:52:00
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This time i will not apologize, and say what a WONDERFULL software this is I WILL JUST SAY WHEN .. MY GOD WHEN ARE YOU GONA RELEASE  CORONA ......!   I HAVE A 20 EURO BILL IN MY HAND AND I WANTO ONE .......PLEASSSEEEEE.  (Like roger rabit ) .........




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2014-11-06, 23:12:16
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try inserting it into CD-ROM or throwing at the screen!
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2014-11-06, 23:16:53
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NO NO .!! ... THE LAST TIME I DONE SOMETING WITH A 20 euro BILL was in a copy machine and i was arrested ....this time i WANT to do the things right

2014-11-07, 21:10:20
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2014-11-18, 23:10:11
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Just wanted to add my two cents on the render node issue :)
Would it be possible to add a monthly price for one work station, and say, 5 nodes, 10 nodes and 20 nodes?

I am the only corona user in my office, so only one workstation would be needed, but depending on the job, I would need more render nodes.

If I am doing stills, 3 even is great, but for an animation, I would need 20.

Would is be possible to offer a stand alone monthly maybe to cover that situation?
I would be going with the monthly, to me it makes the most sense.
We are on Creative Cloud here so I know that's easier to swing for my finance people.
Even a separate monthly fee of 100 Euros for 20 nodes.

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2014-11-18, 23:13:44
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There is already a SaaS model for that need, check the latest blog post and you will find something similar to what you are asking for.

Cheers.

2014-11-19, 11:28:20
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Just spoke with our general manager, just a quick discussion. I said we need 5 nodes, he said Box-license would be good but can I get 5 nodes to that.
For now we are just waiting for the release date and to see if get more nodes to Box.

Anyways, boss was ok with ordering, just wait and see about the nodes.
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2014-11-19, 13:23:27
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This has been already answered, and the answer is no, Box license will include 1 workstation 3 Nodes, we asked for it, but it seems there is no plan to change it.

Cheers!

2014-11-20, 16:30:46
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Still no news about the release date ??? .....

2014-11-24, 06:29:36
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Most likely means they are super busy trying to get all the features stable that they promised, for a last day of Nov release :P   Because we all know what will happen if they don't deliver what they promised... no one fools the Internet. 

I'm sure we will hear something in the next few days. A little surprised there is no daily builds though... been 4 weeks since the last one.

2014-11-24, 11:46:52
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We said it will be released when it is ready, not in november :D
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2014-11-24, 13:12:32
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"Sales will start in November. We do not want to give you exact date yet – we still want to cram in some new features."

So what, you are just selling a product that aren't done from November?  I think you have to be really careful with your wording. Myself and others I know reads this as 1.0 is done and ready for sale in Nov, and I will be a little disappointed if not?


2014-11-24, 14:23:57
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I would rather like to have a "finished, robust, and all the promised features are working" product, then a product which is fixed to a date.
May be in this case it wasn’t wise to announce a date, but hey those guys are doing some great work. And the latter is more important than just a date.


2014-11-24, 14:55:03
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When it comes to getting studios to actually spend money, dedicate their production etc.. you need a date.. and you need to deliver.

They certainly do great work, but I 99% could live totally fine without interactive rendering, if everything else was 100% stable for instance.. if you want all features to be 100% stable and robust, I'm not sure you will ever see a final release then :p  not even renders like mental ray, vray etc can do that ;)

2014-11-24, 15:00:40
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Hey
my studio is 100% using corona at the moment, I only didn't spend any money yet ;-)

2014-11-24, 16:28:48
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So are we, but there are still things we badly need to keep doing this, and its not new features...

2014-11-25, 08:27:14
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So are we, but there are still things we badly need to keep doing this, and its not new features...

Gee give the guys some slack, its been free for years now and your getting upset over the forsale version isn't going to meet its deadline.

Corona works fine in most cases for me and if it doesn't I use another renderer.

I don't know many software companies that promise release dates,  autodesk do,  but look at the mess they put out, most of the time its not in a decent shape until the SP's get released.





2014-11-25, 08:49:37
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I agree, it should not be released if it's not ready, the current version works quite well IMO

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2014-11-25, 09:40:49
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I agree too. Corona team always wanted to make a dialog with users so it's not in a good manner to demand things now (especially now- since it's pretty difficult time for them in the developement imo).

2014-11-25, 09:57:10
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I don't think anyone demands! I think we'll just like to know something. Like how much we're gonna have to wait. For instance i could tell my boss, "listen man, the render engine is not  ready yet. and so it's you sss strawberry. I'll get back to you in a week, or in 2 month :D. And so will be my paycheck:D"

that's all. we all understand that the work this guys do, it's very difficult, and i personally am in a great admiration for they'r work.  But don't be like nextlimit was. Don't say something and than keep silence when it's not there. This will just annoy users. Tell us, approximately, how long :)

2014-11-25, 10:42:46
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We are preparing a blogpost about current state
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2014-11-25, 11:01:47
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Cool!

Thanks Keymaster.

Cheers.

2014-11-25, 16:32:14
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I would rather like to have a "finished, robust, and all the promised features are working" product, then a product which is fixed to a date.
May be in this case it wasn’t wise to announce a date, but hey those guys are doing some great work. And the latter is more important than just a date.
100% Agreed

2014-11-26, 16:19:35
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Why don't u release the 1.0 on daily builds like before and collect your money when u succeed the e-commerce software ?!?



« Last Edit: 2014-11-26, 16:38:15 by marioteodoru »

2014-11-26, 16:28:04
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2014-11-26, 16:29:41
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I am really pissed! Do you realize we are doing production with your software ?! Do you?

We do, and that is why we do not want to release something branded as stable without proper testing.
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2014-11-26, 16:47:02
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Update: https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-project-update/

Don't rush towards a (too) early release, give the beta testers time to test and I'm sure it will pay off in the end. Crappy releases are bad for everyone (including crappy e-commerce systems that fail on day 1)
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2014-11-26, 17:04:52
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We have the ecommerce system running in test mode - so part of new daily builds will be probably "buying" corona with price 0 eur. It will be fun ;)
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2014-11-26, 17:37:52
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Update: https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-project-update/

Thanks to be so clear. So, I wish your team to quickly solve all the problems with the sites and give soon us something to be tested. Btw, I think starting the new year buying a new sw licenses it's a good way to start, so no worry for the delay! ;)

Take care,
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2014-11-26, 17:59:46
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For awesome product - everyone will wait:)  That's no problem Mr.Keymaster:)
What about last day when alpha 7.1 willwork? 31.12.2014?

2014-11-26, 18:02:48
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...wonder why the orange... now i know. EXCELLENT NEWS!.
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2014-11-26, 18:18:58
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How long version 7.2 (you said that in next 2 weeks will be ready) will be available for use?

2014-11-26, 18:22:24
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hrisek 7.2 will be the same as 7.1 but with an extended license, so there will not be any difference for people working with 7.1

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2014-11-26, 19:50:04
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but i want to know a deadline when license for 7.2 will expire :)

2014-11-26, 20:09:37
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28.2.2015
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2014-11-26, 22:01:02
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2014-11-26, 23:32:11
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I have to say that I miss teh option to make the purchase already, even if we don't receive the license yet, because it could let us to fit this expense in the current fiscal year, wich couldbe helpful.

Let me ask you for a pre-sale option before 2014 ends :)

Cheers.

2014-11-26, 23:46:24
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well give us 10 days and we can try it ;) - it would also give us the opportunity to test the paygate in "real payment" mode without having to buy our own software :D
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2014-11-27, 00:10:36
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2014-11-27, 00:37:55
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Well.. can't say I didn't see this coming, but was hoping for a perfect Xmas ;)   Oh well, keep it up! 

I am seeing new daily builds pop up on the dropbox drive, so far only for 2011 and 2012, I am assuming the rest (mainly 2014/2015) is also being uploaded? :D :D  PRESENTS!!!!!


2014-11-28, 08:58:24
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Where Can WE Buy Corona?

2014-11-28, 10:22:07
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Hey guys! It's my birthday today! Release it!

Hahah just joking, you know... gaining years turns me a bit more jesting.

@amol91939 you can't yet, we'll have to wait a bit until it's ready for a lot of reasons you can read in the blog :)

https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-project-update/

Cheers!

2014-12-08, 19:01:13
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Hi keymaster I know some people have asked already but is there any way to pre order corona V1? Due to our company being a local government organisation we are only able to buy new software once a year and that time for our company is within the next two weeks. If we cannot pre order now we would not be able to buy corona until end of next year. I hope there is something you can do for this situation.

2014-12-08, 19:35:45
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Hi keymaster I know some people have asked already but is there any way to pre order corona V1? Due to our company being a local government organisation we are only able to buy new software once a year and that time for our company is within the next two weeks. If we cannot pre order now we would not be able to buy corona until end of next year. I hope there is something you can do for this situation.
Hi,
I have enough experience at universities to completely understand you ;). Please contact Adam (email: hotovy@corona-renderer), he can create an invoice for you manually. Upon payment you would get daily builds access, and when we do the release, a voucher for the licence you ordered.

Is there anybody else who would want to pre-order this way (box or 1 year saas)?
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2014-12-08, 20:19:49
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Excellent news! I'll try to get my supervisor onto this in the next couple of days :)

2014-12-08, 20:26:43
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I want to make pre order.... the Saas must be payed   in one   (1 year of payment ???) or i will start pay ...as the V1  is out ..... 
 if i could make the pre order of the Saas ... it would be nice ....

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2014-12-08, 20:34:11
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So... it begins!.
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2014-12-08, 20:48:42
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Since the build is not finished yet, and selling it now would require considerable manual labor from our side, we would do it only in special cases - that is larger orders, and situations where somebody has to buy it before the end of the year for budgeting reasons.
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2014-12-09, 18:31:05
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Hi Ondra. i want to buy a pre order licence of saas. how i proceed?

2014-12-11, 09:50:03
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As Ondrej already mentioned.
If somebody needs to pre-order (buy & pay for the software this year due to budgeting reasons of his organisation/company), then please write me to hotovy@corona-renderer and explain the situation.
You can pre-order BOX or FairSaaS (paid yearly). There is no reason for pre-ordering FairSaaS with monthly payments.

After placing your order and processing your payment you will receive access to daily builds (which are operating ONLY in FairSaaS mode due to testing mode of our licensing system).
Once Corona Renderer 1.0 for 3ds max is released, only then we will deliver ordered license(s).

So, it is possible to pay this year, but you will get Corona Renderer 1.0 only after official release and NOT right after your payment.

Any questions? Send them please to my email mentioned above. Thx. ah.
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2014-12-30, 19:32:14
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Are there known requirements for getting student license?

2014-12-30, 22:18:19
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we will require a student ID of some form
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I don't want to be boring but any news about 1.0 release date?

Thanks.
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2015-01-15, 11:36:13
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I'm sure they are working as hard as they can to make the release, but I think they don't want to throw up a date that they won't be able to accomplish, so sit tight and wait for it because I'm sure it is coming soon! :D

EDIT: fixed where I said "as hard as I can" was "as hard as THEY can", I'm no working in corona hehehe

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Next task: debugging and final tweaking
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looking very forward to this release.
are there any preorders already possible for the box version?


2015-01-15, 17:28:33
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OMG...The wait is killing me!
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LICENSE IS NOT FLOATING
License is node-locked – but it is rehostable. However, this process is not automatic.

How does the rehosting work?

Is it possible to switch between host at work/home?

2015-01-25, 17:01:06
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No, it is meant only for cases such as buying new computer, not to be used on daily basis
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2015-01-25, 21:15:24
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It's pity that box version is rather 'install fixed' than 'node fixed'. If you always need an internet connection during new install then it's not unconditionally forever purchase. And the other part is not being able to connect from 2 places. That's tradicional model from almost very company atm. even the bigger ones like adobe, autodesk, maxon.

So i guess the only reasonable option is to take fairsaas.
the question is how often do you need to be connected to the internet for the license validation?
and what exactly means once in few days- is it possible in some cases to have more than 'few days' without the internet, more like weeks?

2015-01-25, 22:07:53
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We have not finalized these the details yet, so specific number is not known yet
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2015-01-30, 23:10:17
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Hi there.

This question is regarding the box license, imagin I have 1 box license, hence 1 GUI license, 3 render nodes, of course my main workstation will be my GUI license and it will be used as a node, but my renderfarm is in another place (in my case I work from home, but I have a small office in other place where I have the renderfarm) will there be any problem to distribute my license between those nodes in another place and my main workstation? Hope not... cheers!

2015-01-30, 23:39:46
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what do you mean by "distribute license"? If you mean whether you can use the render node licenses at a different place, then answer is yes
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Yes, that is what I meant, to be able to license my nodes at the render farm and license my workstation in my home.

Thanks!

Cheers.

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ok, in that case it is possible. The licences are node-locked, but the nodes can be located wherever you want them.
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2015-02-13, 08:11:55
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I'm using dailies and currently my About-info says "Valid until: 2015-02-15." Is this the case and if so, should the switch to commercial version not go as smoothly as planned, will you give us extended time for the dailies? I'm in a middle of a shitstorm of projects that are very tightly scheduled, very relevant to my future business with these specific clients. I need to work through this weekend and next week non-stop and rely on tens of liters of coffee so not having Corona working as expected, even for a day, could be a disaster.

So can I please get an extension to the beta/daily system for at least a week from this day on so I can have peace of mind and then activate my SAAS license as soon as I have a day off, to avoid any possibility of things not working as supposed to. I would of course pay for the SAAS in advance, in fact just tell me who to send money right now and I'll be on it right this minute - just renew my daily build expiration date to at least a week onwards :D

I hope you find the time to answer/give more info on our current situation with Corona, otherwise the coming days will prove to be both very exciting and disastrous for me :P

Thanks!


2015-02-13, 09:15:42
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it automatically extends, don't worry
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Corona said that my db license has expired today but I manually re-registered using the old data and it works fine. Adam told me it may have happened because of firewall.
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2015-02-13, 10:51:22
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it automatically extends, don't worry

Good news, really appreciate the fast reply!

2015-02-13, 11:21:27
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Heh, saved me from asking the same question :- ) Yeah, mine is supposed to expire today.
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My boss has promised me today -  that we are ready to buy 5 box licenses. it's very good price for us :) We are waiting for release:) Last 6 big projects were made with Alpha 7.2 .  No crashes, full speed, using render layers and masks, great stability and comfortable use - Vray is actually sleeping at out servers  :)

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2015-02-13, 14:44:14
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Hello,

I'm assuming that until the end of this month we all have 1.0 out...because A7.2 license end in the end of February right?
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2015-02-13, 18:12:27
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My boss has promised me today -  that we are ready to buy 5 box licenses. it's very good price for us :) We are waiting for release:) Last 6 big projects were made with Alpha 7.2 .  No crashes, full speed, using render layers and masks, great stability and comfortable use - Vray is actually sleeping at out servers  :)

Greetings
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great.... just give us some more time to make 1.0 as stable as 7.2 ;)
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Are there any option to pre-pay and get a 1.0 RC license? I already have applied for daily builds but haven't heard anything yet.

2015-02-17, 10:42:12
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2015-02-17, 10:47:43
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2015-02-18, 14:45:27
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"I'm currently in the middle of a project using A7.2, and this version will work until February 28th correct?
Does this mean there is no way for me to use corona between the 28th and whenever corona is released?
I've got loads of rendering to do the coming 4 weeks.

Do I sound like a brat? I certainly don't mean to. I appreciate the awesome free alpha version, and I want to pay asap to have the full version(or other builds), and to avoid downtime."

EDIT: It automatically extends they say! Thank you so so much :)
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2015-02-18, 15:18:05
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I may be wrong, but i don't think that A7.2 will automatically extend after 02.28
Perhaps A7.3 will show up or miraculously Corona v1.0 will be released in 10 days :]

Edit: confirmed

it is simple, either we will make 1.0 in time, or we will extend A7.2
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2015-02-18, 17:11:58
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it is simple, either we will make 1.0 in time, or we will extend A7.2
this ;)
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2015-02-19, 05:58:16
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2015-02-19, 13:23:27
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I work at a mid office and with all the paper work and that idiotic stuff i will kindly ask for at last 1+ week after february in order to buy the corona licenses :)

2015-02-23, 17:29:57
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I work at a mid office and with all the paper work and that idiotic stuff i will kindly ask for at last 1+ week after february in order to buy the corona licenses :)

Yup - this! Not to mention installing it on our machines + farm, etc.

2015-02-23, 17:41:23
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release is scheduled for mid-week. There will be a 45 days unlimited demo option, so I hope the transition will go well for most folks ;)
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2015-02-23, 19:07:21
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release is scheduled for mid-week. There will be a 45 days unlimited demo option, so I hope the transition will go well for most folks ;)

That's some crazy bold move.. hope that it will go well, and won't backfire somehow.
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2015-02-23, 20:02:10
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release is scheduled for mid-week. There will be a 45 days unlimited demo option, so I hope the transition will go well for most folks ;)

That's some crazy bold move.. hope that it will go well, and won't backfire somehow.

I don't get it :D what do you mean "backfire".. You think 45 days could be not enough?

2015-02-23, 22:09:47
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release is scheduled for mid-week. There will be a 45 days unlimited demo option, so I hope the transition will go well for most folks ;)

That's some crazy bold move.. hope that it will go well, and won't backfire somehow.

I don't get it :D what do you mean "backfire".. You think 45 days could be not enough?

No, oppositely. Delay cash flow too much :- ) Actually there are many proven reasons against demos, but I didn't had intention of going that way. Just rhetorically saying :- )
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2015-02-23, 22:40:24
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that is interesting, post something on the topic.

Either way, I have waited to get any money from Corona for 5 years. I can wait 45 days more, if that means everyone will be able to give Corona 1.0 a fair trial, without resorting to cracking it.

We also hope people will get so hooked on the interactive rendering and new material options, that they will never be able to switch back to A6 or other renderers when the trial is over. Mwahahahaha!
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2015-02-24, 13:13:07
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2015-02-24, 14:25:34
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So, sorry if repeating here.. havnt read all the threads yet, its possible to download 1.0 tomorrow (or when its released), and have a 45 days demo period when I can order the license and pay it?
I've got a hard deadline on a 3000 frame animation next week which I need to start on thursday to make it in time, just want to be clear with what I need to prepare when it comes to re-installations etc :)

Will 0.72 stop work when 1.0 is released?

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2015-02-24, 16:14:42
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A7.2 is hardcoded to stop working on 28th. 1.0 will have 45 days unlimited demo, but I'll advise you to buy sooner, to get advantage of our promo launch discounts.
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2015-02-24, 21:52:16
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When does the initial promo discount ends? i want to buy 1 year prepaid fair saas.

Have you already solved how often do we need to log in to confirm the license?

2015-02-24, 21:59:20
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Promo discount will end after 30 days. Period before online connection is required is pretty long now (14+ days), but it will change in the future as the system is refined
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2015-02-25, 10:24:34
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release is scheduled for mid-week. There will be a 45 days unlimited demo option, so I hope the transition will go well for most folks ;)

Awesome news! can't wait :) 45day ulimited demo give us time to end existing projects, test new features and buy a full license - for me it's good move!

For Corona team it's time to do a final polish on 1.0, 45 day free = feedback from a wide audience.

2015-02-25, 14:09:47
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So, sorry if repeating here.. havnt read all the threads yet, its possible to download 1.0 tomorrow (or when its released), and have a 45 days demo period when I can order the license and pay it?
I've got a hard deadline on a 3000 frame animation next week which I need to start on thursday to make it in time, just want to be clear with what I need to prepare when it comes to re-installations etc :)

Will 0.72 stop work when 1.0 is released?

// P

I have the same Problem hier , I am in between Bild Production with Corona 7.2 , and I need to Start Animation Production next Week . I Need to Rendert Animation on our Renderfam , and sollution neet do by Bulletproof. Why you can evaluate  0.72 Licence forr thet 45 Days. Thet solution is veil comfortable for me.

Thankt You

2015-02-25, 15:00:07
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I am uploading new website with working shop and build now
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2015-02-25, 15:16:25
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I am uploading new website with working shop and build now

We are preparing the prosecco ;) Go Ondra!!!
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2015-02-25, 15:19:22
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2015-02-25, 15:29:13
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Ondra is magic! (and all you guys) :D congrats and hope the best for the long awaited baby!

2015-02-25, 15:30:10
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So, is this official? Can we spread the word?
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2015-02-25, 15:34:33
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yes, go ahead
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2015-02-25, 15:46:06
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Fantastic.  Have downloaded from the download section of the website and was going to run demo for a few days before purchase.  However will not install to 3ds max 2014, files will load for 2015, but not 2014.  Have completely uninstalled Alpha 7.2 and tried installing 1.0, with no luck.  Tried copying files from 2015 to 2014 and changing the file name to 2014, again with no luck.

2015-02-25, 16:05:44
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Great News :) , congratulation , I will buz one am evening :)

2015-02-25, 16:06:30
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A7.2 is hardcoded to stop working on 28th. 1.0 will have 45 days unlimited demo, but I'll advise you to buy sooner, to get advantage of our promo launch discounts.

great news Keymaster You made my day.....BTW " I'll advise you to buy sooner" what exactly do you mean by that? in next 5 days? 10? two weeks?

TH

2015-02-25, 16:09:20
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Is there any way of offering a floating license option for the Box purchase in the future? This kind of forces myself and my office to go the SaaS way. I don't mind it for myself, but I don't think my office will want to do that.

2015-02-25, 16:14:14
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Is there any way of offering a floating license option for the Box purchase in the future? This kind of forces myself and my office to go the SaaS way. I don't mind it for myself, but I don't think my office will want to do that.


What's the problem? Just suggest your Boss to buy (let's say 20  FairSAAS licenses) and pay upfront for 1 year , it's better than BOX.

2015-02-25, 17:01:13
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A7.2 is hardcoded to stop working on 28th. 1.0 will have 45 days unlimited demo, but I'll advise you to buy sooner, to get advantage of our promo launch discounts.

great news Keymaster You made my day.....BTW " I'll advise you to buy sooner" what exactly do you mean by that? in next 5 days? 10? two weeks?

TH

The launch promo is for 30 days, and you will save up to 100 € if you use it. Plus you will immediately get for example 120€ in rebus farm credit if you buy yearly SaaS ;)

Fantastic.  Have downloaded from the download section of the website and was going to run demo for a few days before purchase.  However will not install to 3ds max 2014, files will load for 2015, but not 2014.  Have completely uninstalled Alpha 7.2 and tried installing 1.0, with no luck.  Tried copying files from 2015 to 2014 and changing the file name to 2014, again with no luck.

It is possible that the 3dsmax installation path in registry is messed up. Try running "Just unpack" option in the installer with some temporary folder selected, and then manually copying over the 2014 files
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2015-02-25, 17:01:52
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Is there any way of offering a floating license option for the Box purchase in the future? This kind of forces myself and my office to go the SaaS way. I don't mind it for myself, but I don't think my office will want to do that.

That is currently not planned. The licensing system is already over-complicated. We will evaluate feedback in the future to make some adjustments though.
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2015-02-25, 17:47:12
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Fantastic.  Have downloaded from the download section of the website and was going to run demo for a few days before purchase.  However will not install to 3ds max 2014, files will load for 2015, but not 2014.  Have completely uninstalled Alpha 7.2 and tried installing 1.0, with no luck.  Tried copying files from 2015 to 2014 and changing the file name to 2014, again with no luck.

It is possible that the 3dsmax installation path in registry is messed up. Try running "Just unpack" option in the installer with some temporary folder selected, and then manually copying over the 2014 files
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Great.  That worked.  Thank you.

2015-02-25, 18:09:40
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The launch promo is for 30 days, and you will save up to 100 € if you use it. Plus you will immediately get for example 120€ in rebus farm credit if you buy yearly SaaS ;)


Just to avoid confusion, website at the moment states (at two places):

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2015-02-25, 19:35:20
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oh crap, we really need to get our shit together ;)
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2015-02-26, 10:19:42
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oh crap, we really need to get our shit together ;)

So, have we to suppose that the correct shit ( ;) ) is the one ont the site, I mean 45 days? Maybe you should write a date instead, so there will be no chance to misunderstand.
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2015-02-26, 10:59:44
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HI, if I use version 1.0, and it runs  more than 45 days, i will get "blocked" ?

lets say no more corona render, until I pay? (duh, it is sweet bang for the buck! wait Big bang for a dime!)

so, there is no "limited" version?

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2015-02-26, 11:23:28
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so it is 45 days ;)
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2015-02-26, 11:30:10
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HI, if I use version 1.0, and it runs  more than 45 days, i will get "blocked" ?

lets say no more corona render, until I pay? (duh, it is sweet bang for the buck! wait Big bang for a dime!)

so, there is no "limited" version?

OS

The deal is, once 45 days run out, you can go back to A6. That's pretty much it :)

2015-02-26, 12:24:59
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..........
The deal is, once 45 days run out, you can go back to A6. That's pretty much it :)


Isee... but lets be honest  "sedm kil" pffft :D

and just to ask, if i buy the one month license, is it valid "from 1st to 31sth" or valid for 30days?

ie: If i need to start work on 28th of may, i will pay for "3 days"?
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2015-02-26, 12:36:25
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it is valid 30 days after purchase
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