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[Max] Feature Requests / Re: The most wanted feature?
« on: 2020-04-19, 13:50:36 »
oh, tired of reading, it was very hot, hot discussions are a lot of fun)
I have only one question, which I consider extremely critical - when will we have a new, good tone mapping?
Can anyone tell me the date it will be implemented or in which version of Corona it will appear?
We have everything to make a beautiful picture, good shaders, good light, but we have a terrible tone mapping that spoils all this, the picture has no depth, I'm tired of this, it is a constant struggle with burning out and a flat picture. Good shader + good light - does not work if we have a bad tone mapping. We have a great example of tone mapping in FStorm, where probably even a monkey can set up a beautiful picture. I don’t know FStorm, I don’t work in it, but I open it, set up the lights a bit and the shaders, I go to the settings for tone mapping and after a couple of minutes I have a beautiful, lively picture and it's great!
I’ve been using Corona for 7 years, I have a lot of experience, but now I can’t configure tone mapping in Corona so that I like the picture in Corona VFB, I have to save the raw version without tone mapping and then process it in another VFB + plugin or a compos program - Nuke / Fusion, so that I can correctly control highlight compress and other tone mapping settings.
If the tone mapping in Corona VFB does not work correctly, it produces a poor gray, flat result in working with bright areas / light - this means that I can not more accurately / beautifully adjust the light in the scene, because I see that the result in Corona VFB shows me bad picture, bad work with highlights and I don’t understand how it will look in Nuke / Fusion where I can more correctly adjust the highlights. If you make a new, good tone mapping and its result is as good for Nuke / Fusion, then we will no longer need Nuke / Fusion as well as FStorm. I think this is obvious and if not all, then many users will thank you very much! Because they will get a more lively, realistic picture, and this is the main thing for the render engine - this is what we all expect from you, from professionals to beginners.
A beautiful picture is exactly what helps to sell the render engine, it’s your advertisement, your money.
But instead, you want to give us a new moth of Sky, Adaptive environment light sampling and Light Cache from Vray - why?
Why are you wasting time developing a new sky model? who uses corona sky today? Everyone has been using HDRI for a long time - It gives more realism to light, atmosphere and reflections. For 7 years I have never used Corona sky and I think that almost everyone does the same, or come to this a little later with an increase in skills.
Adaptive environment light sampling - if it makes the light in the scene more realistic and works faster, then this is very good, SUPER! but if it does not change anything in the quality and speed of light, but only allows you to not use more portals - then why is this needed? It doesn’t take much time to install portals, it’s not difficult, you spent a lot of time on it, and the result will not justify the quality in the picture, if all this is to not use the portals in the windows
Light Cache - how much animation is done in Corona? basically, these are static pictures, so I don’t understand why we need it now, when we have more important things.
I don’t understand why you are doing things that don’t ask you, and ignoring what we have been waiting for from you for so long?
You have a large user base, Corona render is an excellent engine, many people came to it because it is great, but now there is a strong competitor FStorm, it has very high speed and a very good picture. Corona cannot compete with FStorm in speed because the GPU has much more speed than the CPU, but the GPU has little memory, which is an advantage for Corona, even if it is slower, but it can do my job, and FStorm just closes with an error. because he doesn’t have enough video memory, I don’t need his speed if he cannot finish the project.
You must compete as a picture - this is what your users who buy your product expect from you, wait a very long time and patiently. They write that they are interested, what they want, for which they are ready to pay money, but unfortunately you are not doing it and it is very frustrating.
If your development and user wishes do not match, then who will buy Corona?
I apologize if I wrote a lot and emotionally, I don’t want aggression, I'm just sad. You must understand - that we all expected other developments from you, not what you will give us now, after a long wait time between v5 and v6.
Probably in v7 there will be what we ask, which is very important for us, and maybe you will again do not what we ask you, but do something else.
In any case, we will not get it in v6 - this means that half a year of expectations did not materialize, now we have to wait another half year again and hope that they will fix it, they will do it in v7
We want to understand how long we have to wait.
Maybe we never get them, or maybe we get them too late.
There are things that are very important here and now, tomorrow these things can be useless, because we already found a solution from competitors, because we had no choice, because we really needed them yesterday.
You created a vote for new features among Corona users, and I think it’s fair if you indicate the time when we can get them, it will be useful for everyone, we will know when we get it and we won’t be upset that the new version of Corona they are not there, we will know how much time we will expect this and probably will take serious decisions for us - wait for us for so long or seek solutions from competitors
Good luck Corona team, I hope you understand what you are doing and that you have chosen a truly right direction of development.
I have only one question, which I consider extremely critical - when will we have a new, good tone mapping?
Can anyone tell me the date it will be implemented or in which version of Corona it will appear?
We have everything to make a beautiful picture, good shaders, good light, but we have a terrible tone mapping that spoils all this, the picture has no depth, I'm tired of this, it is a constant struggle with burning out and a flat picture. Good shader + good light - does not work if we have a bad tone mapping. We have a great example of tone mapping in FStorm, where probably even a monkey can set up a beautiful picture. I don’t know FStorm, I don’t work in it, but I open it, set up the lights a bit and the shaders, I go to the settings for tone mapping and after a couple of minutes I have a beautiful, lively picture and it's great!
I’ve been using Corona for 7 years, I have a lot of experience, but now I can’t configure tone mapping in Corona so that I like the picture in Corona VFB, I have to save the raw version without tone mapping and then process it in another VFB + plugin or a compos program - Nuke / Fusion, so that I can correctly control highlight compress and other tone mapping settings.
If the tone mapping in Corona VFB does not work correctly, it produces a poor gray, flat result in working with bright areas / light - this means that I can not more accurately / beautifully adjust the light in the scene, because I see that the result in Corona VFB shows me bad picture, bad work with highlights and I don’t understand how it will look in Nuke / Fusion where I can more correctly adjust the highlights. If you make a new, good tone mapping and its result is as good for Nuke / Fusion, then we will no longer need Nuke / Fusion as well as FStorm. I think this is obvious and if not all, then many users will thank you very much! Because they will get a more lively, realistic picture, and this is the main thing for the render engine - this is what we all expect from you, from professionals to beginners.
A beautiful picture is exactly what helps to sell the render engine, it’s your advertisement, your money.
But instead, you want to give us a new moth of Sky, Adaptive environment light sampling and Light Cache from Vray - why?
Why are you wasting time developing a new sky model? who uses corona sky today? Everyone has been using HDRI for a long time - It gives more realism to light, atmosphere and reflections. For 7 years I have never used Corona sky and I think that almost everyone does the same, or come to this a little later with an increase in skills.
Adaptive environment light sampling - if it makes the light in the scene more realistic and works faster, then this is very good, SUPER! but if it does not change anything in the quality and speed of light, but only allows you to not use more portals - then why is this needed? It doesn’t take much time to install portals, it’s not difficult, you spent a lot of time on it, and the result will not justify the quality in the picture, if all this is to not use the portals in the windows
Light Cache - how much animation is done in Corona? basically, these are static pictures, so I don’t understand why we need it now, when we have more important things.
I don’t understand why you are doing things that don’t ask you, and ignoring what we have been waiting for from you for so long?
You have a large user base, Corona render is an excellent engine, many people came to it because it is great, but now there is a strong competitor FStorm, it has very high speed and a very good picture. Corona cannot compete with FStorm in speed because the GPU has much more speed than the CPU, but the GPU has little memory, which is an advantage for Corona, even if it is slower, but it can do my job, and FStorm just closes with an error. because he doesn’t have enough video memory, I don’t need his speed if he cannot finish the project.
You must compete as a picture - this is what your users who buy your product expect from you, wait a very long time and patiently. They write that they are interested, what they want, for which they are ready to pay money, but unfortunately you are not doing it and it is very frustrating.
If your development and user wishes do not match, then who will buy Corona?
I apologize if I wrote a lot and emotionally, I don’t want aggression, I'm just sad. You must understand - that we all expected other developments from you, not what you will give us now, after a long wait time between v5 and v6.
Probably in v7 there will be what we ask, which is very important for us, and maybe you will again do not what we ask you, but do something else.
In any case, we will not get it in v6 - this means that half a year of expectations did not materialize, now we have to wait another half year again and hope that they will fix it, they will do it in v7
We want to understand how long we have to wait.
Maybe we never get them, or maybe we get them too late.
There are things that are very important here and now, tomorrow these things can be useless, because we already found a solution from competitors, because we had no choice, because we really needed them yesterday.
You created a vote for new features among Corona users, and I think it’s fair if you indicate the time when we can get them, it will be useful for everyone, we will know when we get it and we won’t be upset that the new version of Corona they are not there, we will know how much time we will expect this and probably will take serious decisions for us - wait for us for so long or seek solutions from competitors
Good luck Corona team, I hope you understand what you are doing and that you have chosen a truly right direction of development.