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[Scatter] 3ds Max - Bug Reporting / Re: ChaosScatter rendering results differ

« on: 2025-06-27, 12:52:22 »

What would be incredibly useful - or essential really - is knowing your scattering settings. Can you share a scene (best done by opening a ticket, as keeps the scene between you and support, https://support.chaos.com/requests/new ), or at very least a screengrab of the settings. OFC the settings for a Scatter are too long to fit in one screen so that might take some work. You could also just strip a scene down to the scatter with some default objects, if you can't share the actual models or scene etc. for NDA reasons.

Given there are so many ways Scatter can be used (on splines, in areas, with masks, with height or angle limitations, in volumes, in clusters that can be set up in various ways, edited with the paint tools, etc. etc.) it would be important to know just how it is being used here. Thanks!

Oh, and example images showing the results from one machine and the results from another too, so could see in which way it's changing.

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[C4D] General Discussion / Re: Chaos Corona 13 does not have material installation options

« on: 2025-06-27, 12:48:46 »

BTW, why do you want it, given that all the materials are now in Cosmos? Which is a genuine question, I am interested in why you want to use the Corona Mat Lib instead to access the same materials.

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[C4D] I need help! / Re: AI image enhancer on interactive Render

« on: 2025-06-27, 12:46:47 »

Bear in mind that the image size in the IR is determined by the size of the window, so that can be smaller than the output settings (often the case, where if you want an 8K final render, you don't want to wait that long for your IR and the smaller window size is better).

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[C4D] I need help! / Re: Creating a virtual point n click tour question...

« on: 2025-06-27, 12:43:03 »

Great you tried it out, and great it fits your needs :) Thank you for the feedback (and I'll pass it along to the Cloud team). Enjoy using the Virtual Tours, and keep an eye on things coming from the Cloud team as there is more to come this year. Cheers!

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[Max] General Discussion / Re: Updated to Corona 13 - DR wont Render

« on: 2025-06-27, 02:24:11 »

Glad to hear you solved it - and I also wanted to say thank you for coming back and sharing what the solution was, as this can be a great help to others, and let's face it, it's pretty easy to not take the time to come back and report on the fix because you've just had to spend time figuring it all out and want to get back on with the important things like rendering and working on the project. So, big thanks!

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Corona 13 for 3ds Max - Daily Builds Discussion

« on: 2025-06-27, 01:06:05 »

This one was news to us too :) So not something that has been kept a secret, and really it has only come to light on the creation date of that video a week or so back. Following from that video, we may add some checkbox someplace that basically does "render to 2x resolution then downscale", leaving you as a user to reduce the passes / noise target as you see fit, and apply whichever denoiser you choose though preferably Intel. We are going to revisit the denoising UI, since it has grown from one to three options and in two places (IR and final), so it could use a bit of tidying up.

TBH I am still not convinced of setting either of the AI denoisers because a new user could load up Corona and press render... . and it doesn't work. I get that established users will go "Oh, looks like Intel hasn't updated to handle the new 60 series card that I am using, I guess I will wait for an OIDN update, meantime I'll swap to another denoiser", but for a new user, the whole "It just works out of the box" statement would seem like a lie and they'd be left very confused.

There's also the issue of "reset to defaults" being something that should fix ANY problem, and same thing again, if NVIDIA or Intel break their denoisers somehow at any time, then reset to defaults will just be resetting things to something that doesn't work.

You can of course set your own default scene that loads on startup of the DCC, and in that store the settings you want to use every time, all without us having to change what the Corona defaults are. And this is my preferred solution, as then the defaults are the things guaranteed to work, but you are free to create your own standard settings via a default startup scene - best of both worlds!

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[C4D] I need help! / Re: Tri-planar mapping scale has changed v13 using older files created in v12?

« on: 2025-06-27, 00:59:18 »

Can you share some examples? That is, a 12 render then same scene in 13, plus a screengrab of the material set up (or, a version of the scene, can even be stripped down to just a cube with the offending texture applied etc. so long as it shows the difference in 12 and 13).

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[C4D] I need help! / Re: Creating a virtual point n click tour question...

« on: 2025-06-27, 00:57:16 »

Sorry I'm not familiar with 3D Vista specifically, but I can say it works similar to other virtual tour solutions in general, including ones I have used. In many ways better, given you can get renders straight to it from the VFB, it doesn't need some server or space set up to store everything, can autogenerate hotspots, handles VR, allows for comments for conversations back and forth between you and the client (or turn those off once it is a final deliverable that your client will share with their customers), and it's still improving e.g. recently they added support for multiple floor plans in one tour, password options, and more!

Let us know what you think when you've tried it out! And for suggestions or feature requests, feel free to post on the Chaos Cloud Ideas Portal at https://chaoscloud.ideas.aha.io/ so that it goes straight to the team responsible :)

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Corona 13 for 3ds Max - Daily Builds Discussion

« on: 2025-06-26, 20:21:51 »

Well, just changing the denoising to Intel saves a small bit of time but not much. The time savings in the process in the video comes more from the rendering to a higher resolution and downscaling - but this does introduce artifacts at some points. Given it's "not entirely always safe", it isn't a default. As for not making the Intel Denoiser a default, this is because it is not ours and we don't control it - for example, it stopped working for some months as it was not updated for the 50 Blackwell series GPUs and simply didn't run. Again, we don't want to pick something as a default that "can break, and that is out of our control whether it does, and out of our control to fix it".

Anyway, it's historically very interesting, Corona was one of the first to introduce denoising, before other methods existed. Seems Renderman had it earlier but I don't think anything else did - according to the unreliable AI (I had to remind it after it's first answer that our denoising was in 1.4 in 2016 before it updated its answer to what is shown below):



Renderer             Denoiser Type                Release      Notes

Corona 1.4          Non-AI (Intel NLM)         2016            Early denoiser, post-process, AOV-guided
RenderMan 20    Statistical denoising       2014            One of the very first, used in film
NVIDIA OptiX      AI-based denoising        2017            First real-time AI denoiser, revolutionized workflows
Arnold                 Built-in + OptiX later       ~2017+        Integrated multiple denoising methods

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[C4D] I need help! / Re: Creating a virtual point n click tour question...

« on: 2025-06-26, 19:57:16 »

It's wayyyyy simpler than that - no login, no standalone, no installing. You just send them a URL, and it opens in the browser.

t=803 covers it (though the previous section covers sharing options, as you can limit sharing to specific email addresses or require a password I believe, with the last one being new as of a few days ago so I don't have details :) ).

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Corona 13 for 3ds Max - Daily Builds Discussion

« on: 2025-06-26, 16:26:39 »

Didn't make sense to spend time "competing" with other solutions we can include for free - even if we could compete that is, given that they a) run on GPU and b) use AI. This made trying to improve the Corona Denoiser rather unnecessary, and the dev time better spent elsewhere.

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Corona 13 for 3ds Max - Daily Builds Discussion

« on: 2025-06-26, 15:52:33 »

Somehow it just missed us, this knowledge! Been using the default Corona HQ denoising + HQ filtering since... forever. One naturally assumes that anything native/Corona and "high quality" and which is also the default must be the best, for day-to-day use, and of course we've never had any issues with it, therefore no incentive/reason to try anything else. It's just this recent vid that caught our attention recently which caused us to change. But yes, the difference really is night-and-day. I wonder if the corona method simply needs to be improved if it's to remain the default... or just make Intel+Tent the default if better?

That's what I was repeatedly told when questioning it too, in that thread I posted you can see the other response were convinced with comments like "I rarely sharpen now with Corona defaults".  Intel + Tent is my default in my Maxstart file, i like the freedom of Tent too as you can adjust the Width(Px) to your liking, higher values softer, lower values crispier

Depends when you questioned it :) For a long time, the AI denoisers tended to blur detail and lose bump mapping, especially subtle (think wall plaster or similar), so Corona HQ was the best. That began to change in 2022 with Corona 8, "Added OIDN feature pre-denoising in the Intel AI Denoiser, which gives better preservation of detail." and Intel have made several other improvements to OIDN since then, while NVIDIA's hasn't changed at all that I know of. Over the course of the last 3 years, Intel has become by far the best denoiser, including becoming fast enough to use in IR too. From when they come visit, it also seems like they are planning to continue updating OIDN, so they aren't finished it would seem :)

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Corona 13 for 3ds Max - Daily Builds Discussion

« on: 2025-06-26, 15:50:52 »

Ahhhh apparently I hit Edit on dj_buckley's post when I meant Quote. Wondered why it seemed to be working strangely. Let me see if I can restore it, sorry about that.

Did my best to restore the original post, there's no undo, but I didn't modify the text and just took out the quoting of Alex, so I *think* I have it back to normal. So sorry!

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[C4D] Daily Builds / Are you still using the old VFB?

« on: 2025-06-26, 14:00:56 »

If so, please pop over to this thread so we can keep all replies together:
https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=45158.msg234238#msg234238

Thanks!

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[Max] Daily Builds / Are you still using the old VFB?

« on: 2025-06-26, 13:59:44 »

Hi everyone!

We'd like to know how many of you choose the option to use the old VFB rather than the VFB2. If you are using the OLD VFB, please can you make ONE reply in this post below (if you are using the new one, VFB 2, no need to post here).

In your reply, if you have the time, please let us know what it is that stops you from moving to the VFB 2, as high level or as detailed as you like and have time to write up :) If you don't have the time to explain why, just adding a post with "me" or a "." in it is fine!

I ask for the one reply as then it makes it easy to count the number of users - a separate discussion thread can be started by anyone who wants more conversational back and forth between everyone.