New bloom and glare playground!

[maru]

In the newest daily build of Corona Renderer 6, we have brand new lens effects!
You can find them in the VFB Post tab, and then tweak your bloom and glare using the built-in aperture editor.

Share your results, ask questions!

Download and more info here: [link]

Some examples:

[Feodor]

Great stuff!
The only thing I wanted when using it was the ability to record a preset

[TomG]

Yes, it's not yet integrated with the presets (nor the Corona Camera or CIE), but that is coming :)

[Anatoly]

Would there be a fallback to previous bloom and glare appearance?

[maru]

Would there be a fallback to previous bloom and glare appearance?

Yes, the new effect is optional. It's a single checkbox.

[scionik]

I guess I do something wrong but the checkbox is out of order

[TomG]

Yes, it's not yet integrated with the presets (nor the Corona Camera or CIE), but that is coming :)

Oh my bad! In the pre-release internal build, it was not saved in the VFB config, but in this daily it IS saved, so you can go and save your settings for it now :)

[maru]

I guess I do something wrong but the checkbox is out of order

What do you mean "out of order"? You are not able to check the "Custom aperture" checkbox?

[scionik]

I guess I do something wrong but the checkbox is out of order

What do you mean "out of order"? You are not able to check the "Custom aperture" checkbox?

Sorry for the confusion.
And yes, I'm not able to check this checkbox.

[apjasko]

I guess I do something wrong but the checkbox is out of order

What do you mean "out of order"? You are not able to check the "Custom aperture" checkbox?

Sorry for the confusion.
And yes, I'm not able to check this checkbox.

There's a checkbox inside the camera rollout of render settings. If you opened a scene created prior to this daily build, you will need to uncheck this box in order to use the new effects.

[scionik]

I guess I do something wrong but the checkbox is out of order

What do you mean "out of order"? You are not able to check the "Custom aperture" checkbox?

Sorry for the confusion.
And yes, I'm not able to check this checkbox.

There's a checkbox inside the camera rollout of render settings. If you opened a scene created prior to this daily build, you will need to uncheck this box in order to use the new effects.

Got it. Thank you very much

[LuckyFox]

Great stuff guys!  is this one based on vray's bloom and glare? or it's internal research from corona team alone?

[maru]

Great stuff guys!  is this one based on vray's bloom and glare? or it's internal research from corona team alone?

Yes, it's based on the V-Ray bloom and glare and the UI is reworked Corona-style. :)

[scionik]

Great stuff guys!  is this one based on vray's bloom and glare? or it's internal research from corona team alone?

Yes, it's based on the V-Ray bloom and glare and the UI is reworked Corona-style. :)

That's nice to share Corona Features to V-ray and V-ray to Corona. Eventually, everybody is so happy

[maru]

Actually, as far as I remember the story went like this:
- Vray had bloom and glare
- Corona had bloom and glare
- Most users liked the Corona bloom and glare better, so they wanted it in Vray
- Vray implemented an even better than Corona's bloom and glare
- Most users liked the Vray bloom and glare better, so they wanted it in Corona
- Corona implemented the Vray bloom and glare 

So that's really a nice example of sharing features and the healthy competitiveness between Corona and Vray - like you said: in the end, everyone is happy. :)

[lolec]

I really like the new glare system :) A fast preview window would be a nice addition. Here is what I imagine:

Something like a single light spot rendered next to the custom aperture shape, maybe at a lower quality but super-fast because It is difficult to play around with the parameters because the effect is still relatively slow, so testing in a full scene is not fun.

Still, I find it a lot more natural and appealing! thanks!

[sprayer]

Is it possible to add in future dirty lens effect and chromatic aberration?

[burnin]

Is it possible to add in future dirty lens effect and chromatic aberration?

For now you can do it by creating your own custom aperture shape map/texture or make some from real lens (anything goes ;)

[maru]

Is it possible to add in future dirty lens effect and chromatic aberration?

"Dirty lens effect" is exactly what we have in this new bloom and glare effect (you can already download it and test it). Chromatic aberration is not here yet.

[romullus]

I wonder why new B&G editor is called custom aperture? From my understanding, bloom and glare effects has little to do with actual lens aperture.

[maru]

I wonder why new B&G editor is called custom aperture? From my understanding, bloom and glare effects has little to do with actual lens aperture.

Real bloom and glare are dependent on both aperture and lens surface (and probably other things, like lens transparency, volume,...). But you are right - the name may be a little confusing. Maybe we can improve it.

[sprayer]

Is it possible to add in future dirty lens effect and chromatic aberration?

you can already download it and test it

Sadly i can't. I was tried to install two versions of corona with guide about environment variable - no luck, it was always load v5. And tried full install but also no luck, in plugin manager it was said failed to load(3ds max 2020). Also installer have problems with system scaling. https://i.imgur.com/MDjrz2K.jpg
So i better wait full release =)

Are you sure what it is dirty lens effect? I mean like this

As i understand it's apply similar to glow but in dirty mask on whole frame, and do not duplicate shapes of bloom and glare for every light source.
I don't see this in examples.

[marchik]

I think we should get a unified aperture setting that affects both bokeh and bloom & glare, now it looks a little bit strange when you can set a 6-angle aperture in VFB and circular in aperture shape settings

[maru]

Sadly i can't. I was tried to install two versions of corona with guide about environment variable - no luck, it was always load v5. And tried full install but also no luck, in plugin manager it was said failed to load(3ds max 2020). Also installer have problems with system scaling. https://i.imgur.com/MDjrz2K.jpg
So i better wait full release =)

Please try this:
1) Uninstall Corona from "Programs" list in Windows
2) Then run the daily build installer and install it normally (automatic mode)
If that fails, please try manual installation - https://coronarenderer.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/12000038849

If you are not able to get it working, please contact us about this at https://coronarenderer.freshdesk.com/support/tickets/new

Thanks!

[Dionysios.TS]

Hi all!

I guess the new Bloom and Glare effects are not finished yet but unfortunately the "old legacy" method now doesn't work as it should.
First of all, as the CIE doesn't have yet the new menu options, has no sense for now to use this in production, once you set it up before the final rendering process, the CXR file saved file doesn't work as expected.

I thought going back to the legacy way will work but the results are a bit bad and seems unusable now the legacy as well.

Did you find the same limitations for now?

Thanks!

[rowmanns]

Hi all!

I guess the new Bloom and Glare effects are not finished yet but unfortunately the "old legacy" method now doesn't work as it should.
First of all, as the CIE doesn't have yet the new menu options, has no sense for now to use this in production, once you set it up before the final rendering process, the CRX file saved file doesn't work as expected.

I thought going back to the legacy way will work but the results are a bit bad and seems unusable now the legacy as well.

Did you find the same limitations for now?

Thanks!

Hi,

As usual with the daily builds all of the features can be considered experimental. The CIE will have the menu options for the new and legacy bloom and glares in the next daily build.

Can you describe your issues with the new bloom and glare?

Thanks,

Rowan

[Dionysios.TS]

Hi Rowan and thanks for getting back.

The legacy version now has nothing to do as result if compared to the real legacy one we were using till now.
It seems there is a problem with the size which is a new option of the new method but when we switch at the legacy one the behavior now is different.
I think the problem is evident when you open the saved CXR image back in the standalone CIE.

Thanks,

Dionysios -

[maru]

Hi Rowan and thanks for getting back.

The legacy version now has nothing to do as result if compared to the real legacy one we were using till now.
It seems there is a problem with the size which is a new option of the new method but when we switch at the legacy one the behavior now is different.
I think the problem is evident when you open the saved CXR image back in the standalone CIE.

Thanks,

Dionysios -

Can you PLEASE post image examples? As Rowan mentioned, CIE does not support the new effects yet.

[Dionysios.TS]

Hi Rowan and thanks for getting back.

The legacy version now has nothing to do as result if compared to the real legacy one we were using till now.
It seems there is a problem with the size which is a new option of the new method but when we switch at the legacy one the behavior now is different.
I think the problem is evident when you open the saved CXR image back in the standalone CIE.

Thanks,

Dionysios -

Can you PLEASE post image examples? As Rowan mentioned, CIE does not support the new effects yet.

Hi Maru,

I attached a screenshot, in 3ds Max the legacy option works as expected.
If you save the image and open it in CIE and you turn on the Bloom and Glare effects you get a very strong and wrong result.

I guess maybe this happens as the CIE is not compatible with all this process yet?

Something interesting, when you open the CXR in CIE, the Bloom effects are turn off but bloom seems on in reality and the effect is correct as in 3ds Max. The problem occurs after once you turn on the Bloom effect.

Hope is clear...

Thanks,

Dionysios -

[maru]

I hope this makes sense:

CIE doesn't have yet the new menu options

As usual with the daily builds all of the features can be considered experimental. The CIE will have the menu options for the new and legacy bloom and glares in the next daily build.

I think the problem is evident when you open the saved CXR image back in the standalone CIE.

CIE does not support the new effects yet

I guess maybe this happens as the CIE is not compatible with all this process yet?

[Dionysios.TS]

Thanks!

I thought was correct to ask if you were aware or not about it.

D.

[maru]

Thanks!

I thought was correct to ask if you were aware or not about it.

D.

Sure, thanks for your report! I was just being a little bit sarcastic.

[Dionysios.TS]

Thanks!

I thought was correct to ask if you were aware or not about it.

D.

Sure, thanks for your report! I was just being a little bit sarcastic.

I've noticed! :D
No worries...

As this is a beta testing thread I try to communicate any strange behavior and sometimes I don't know if you are aware or not.
Better post our doubts than keep them secretly till the end of time.... :P

[GeorgeK]

Thanks!

I thought was correct to ask if you were aware or not about it.

D.

Sure, thanks for your report! I was just being a little bit sarcastic.

I've noticed! :D
No worries...

As this is a beta testing thread I try to communicate any strange behavior and sometimes I don't know if you are aware or not.
Better post our doubts than keep them secretly till the end of time.... :P

Hi Dionysi, CIE UI is now updated to support the new lens effects as of Daily Build 2020-06-18, further detailed information can be found here: https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=26830.0

Thanks for highliting the issue in the firstplace.

[Dionysios.TS]

I've noticed! :)
And I am happy!

Thanks for the efforts as always to all the team.

Dionysios -

PS. Thanks for writing back here.

[LuckyFox]

Thanks Marcin for the reply about where the code came from for this new feature. I remember the video where one of the vray developers tells the story behind their new bloom and glare and it matches with what you wrote.
I finally had some in production tests and I like the new bloom and glare. I like how it really becomes harder to tell the new glare is cgi. Well done chaos and legion.

[TomG]

There is no Chaos and Legion now, just Chaos and Chaos :)

[burnin]

A legion of Chaoses :D

[LuckyFox]

Chaos' Legion, I know the legal naming implications Tom, but for me you, guys and gals, are still that Render Legion brave team that took on the road from 0 to hero when the market was largely dominated by Vray.

Here is a test with new glare and bloom. I feel we need a save preset list or something to quickly load params. Also maybe some cool predefined ones for quick looks similar to LUTs that come prepacked?

[TomG]

That looks awesome!

And on the name, yes that may have changed, but we're still the same brave team for sure!

On the presets etc., actually something I already raised internally a while back, so we have that on a tracker to think about. No decision yet on whether it will be save-able presets (that is, ones that can be saved separately from the overall tone mapping as you might want to recall your lens effects separately from tone mapping), or some predefined ones in a list, or both, or something else altogether - but we'll sure think about it and see. (Of course, no promises that any changes, if there are any and whatever they might be, will be in the 6 release - just wanted you to know that it is something we are looking into though).

[smadiswelem]

Can you guys make some presets for bloom and glare? because its take time to apply the effect and there too much parameters so i cant figure out

[maru]

Can you guys make some presets for bloom and glare? because its take time to apply the effect and there too much parameters so i cant figure out

Yes, this has just been discussed in the two posts above yours. :)

[smadiswelem]

oh)))) ok)))))

[Duron]

The new lens effects are just awesome! Much closer to photorealism!

Thanks for that!

[maru]

The new lens effects are just awesome! Much closer to photorealism!

Thanks for that!

Thank you for a great example!!