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Chaos Corona for Cinema 4D => [C4D] I need help! => Topic started by: Nube architetture on 2019-05-31, 16:41:44
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hey everyone,
I would like have an advice about a topic that really struggle me.
I'm looking for the realism in architecture visualization but i cant't reach it. I Know that it isn't only a question of chose the right set up of lights, matherials but also good composting and good color grading.
i post this two images just for and external point of view and maybe have some advises.
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In conclusion, don't you think that 3ds + corona is more precise than c4d + corona ?
Is It just my opinion ?
I mean is very hard find out good images with c4d corona...or it has just less users... :)
thanks in advance
Bye
Nube Architetture
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Sorry That is the second one
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Because it has less users. In terms of quality, http://www.slashcube.ch/works/ have used nothing but C4D and Corona for some years now.
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Hey Nube,
always an interesting topic "what makes renders look real" ?
From my personal experience:
1. lighting, lighting and again lighting.
"A bad photographer cares for his gear, a mediocre one for the motives, and talented ones care for the light"... :)
Be aware... in beautiful and natural lighting, even an empty room will look great and will have ATMOSPHERE.
daylight is not generic, like the sky & sun system in 3D-softs ( they are okay for some purposes)
daylight reflects colorful light from blue sky, orange sun, green grass & tress, etc... so, use HDRs !
2. physically plausible materials (IOR, gloss, etc. )
3. objects that are according to real world ( size, proportion, details, etc)
4. avoid "perfection" - means: in reality NOTHING is really perfectly clean, straight, etc.
apply imperfections and variations in reflection especially on floors, furniture surfaces, glass, etc.
5. don´t exaggerate with contrasts but also avoid a "grayish" light & color mood.
try to make it look like we see reality... not over-artistic and with those typical Arch-Vis dramatic moods that looks like total composting... except your client likes it... or you simply want this mood... :)
Of course, if the render engine doesn't calculate a natural lighting... it´s bad.
But Corona really DOES calculate a very natural light behavior.
Regarding your question about 3DMax and C4D....
As a C4D user... especially during the pre-release phase of Corona for C4D, I noticed big differences in light calculation compared to Max.
But meanwhile... I would say they are minimal.
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Hey TomG,
also AngeloFerretti´s works in C4D & Corona look really great... in my opinion.
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TY! Yes there are a lot of great renderings out there, not all of which show up in the forum or on the FB groups - another one that comes to mind is https://corona-renderer.com/blog/whisky-galore-david-turfitts-work-in-cinema-4d/.
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Hi Tom,
yes, cool work also at David Turfitt. Thanks for the link.
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Thanks for the links, I'd like to add :
https://www.instagram.com/madimagery/
https://www.behance.net/fmgraph
I have been following Angelo Ferretti from a while and i love his images.
Designerman77 "1. lighting, lighting and again lighting."
Totally agree, and thanks for the advice.
Anyone Knows Where can i study lights set up and composition for each situation (exterior, interior, natural light...and so on) ?
I mean some courses (online courses) or books...
In the images i posted, I've used really flat Hdri for the sky and Corona's sun, than Lightmix in post.
Bye
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Hey Nube,
regarding HDRs, I prefer 360° HDRs, instead of those which have only the sky dome - especially if you don´t build up a whole 3D-vegetation surrounding.
Because the 360° will give you much more natural light colors in interiors ( and in general ), due to the ground surface (grass, etc.) that will reflect onto your walls.
Use HDR with a "moderate" sun position... not 12:00 mid-day... but something like 25° - 50°. So it will still generate enough energy into deep / long stretched rooms,
not only a hotspot near the windows.
Take HDRs with not too blue sky, but a balanced color, some haze and tender clouds, that diffuse the light. Of course you can apply a filter and tweak the colors or play in the camera settings, etc.
Play with the gamma of the HDR, if you want more contrast, color and sharper light/shadows... (reduce the gamma a bit).
Have a look at your rooms in reality... the "white" walls are actually totally colorful if there is some vegetation or buildings outside, that are not all grey... :)
One thing that I TOTALLY love about Corona light calculation: when light comes through a window, it will be split into spectral colors when it touches the edges of objects.
Sometimes you can see this quite clearly. This optical effect exists in reality - and especially in renders with lots of white walls & objects, this makes the scene look very natural and real.
Regarding your question, where one can study lighting techniques... I didn´t investigate that topic on the net so much...
But simply purchase some nice scenes... like from Angelo ( I don't know him personally, neither advertise for him ! ).
Study his lighting technique and try to develop your strategy out of it.
Some small "hints" from other experienced 3D artist are often enough.
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IMO, there's just a couple of books worth knowing to understand theory (LIGHT for Visual Artists: Understanding & Using Light in Art & Design) (https://www.amazon.com/Light-Visual-Artists-Understanding-Design/dp/185669660X) & practice (The Third & The Seventh: From Bits to the Lens). (https://www.amazon.com/Third-Seventh-Bits-Lens/dp/8461652401)
Then it's simply about doing it - let real photography & illustration be your Imaginary Muses! Since CGI is merely a virtual medium (transferring an image from mind into light & matter). It also helps to take art photography lessons, attend workshops, but foremost: "Communicate with surrounding by paying attention to detail." ;)