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2024-02-05, 08:09:03
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Yeah this has been brought up in various discussions on other online forums because while RDIMM kinda make sense for the WX (PRO) series it kind of doesn't make as much sense for the "consumer" HEDT platform.

But yeah, Threadripper 7xxx, regardless if its PRO or HEDT, RDIMMs are a must it seems.
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2024-02-05, 09:42:24
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Is it because the TRX50 is now derived from WRX90 directly, just stripped of channels and lanes?

That will probably go for the physical boards themselves, paying same price and one gives you overclocking and other gives you the bigger physical layout for more dimms and pci cards.
In the end, you're just saying bit of money with non-WX chips.

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2024-02-05, 10:24:54
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Is it because the TRX50 is now derived from WRX90 directly, just stripped of channels and lanes?

That will probably go for the physical boards themselves, paying same price and one gives you overclocking and other gives you the bigger physical layout for more dimms and pci cards.
In the end, you're just saying bit of money with non-WX chips.

To be honest that would be my guess as well. I mean the TRX50 boards even have IPMI / BMC now as well which is typically WS / server grade stuff? And the WRX90 platform supports overclocking too so looking at it from a distance the only difference to me is the PCI-E lane count, ha :) Oh and moar memory / memory capacity support and the like.
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2024-02-05, 10:39:30
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That would be behind the artificial cap of 4 RDIMM slots :- ) ?

Peak market segmentation, though it's logical and more like thrown bone to the HEDT crowd. Can't complain, they could have just skipped the non-pro stuff totally and everyone would be worse off.
I am bit sad the workstation market is back in the 10 000 Euro build segment like 7-8 years ago, but this come and goes in circles. Everything is expensive now, not much can be done.

1950X/2990WX were peak affordability. 3xxx were peak solid value/performance. 5xxx is not worth mentioning in any way. 7xxx is excellent performer, but back to high prices mostly due to whole package (motherboard + memory).

With everyone on GPUs though nowadays, not much excitement on internet for these chips anymore.

Not many kickass builds in this thread anymore either. Even I am not very excited about cpus, but that is because they've long surpassed my work capability and I am only limited by shitty single-threaded softwares like Max and my own inefficiency.
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2024-02-06, 19:00:43
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Yeah I mean like you said, it is at least something. If you look at it solely from a business perspective (which I don't necessarily like doing) AMD is kind of in an odd position - Threadrippers are basically Epycs and high end Epycs sell for 10k a pop. That is obviously way too much for most consumers / prosumers but then there is a long way to go down to 530€ which is the 7950x 16 core chip. So in that sense I'm honestly somewhat surprised that they cater to the HEDT crowd again.

Given that you are on an HEDT platform yourself, do you notice any speed difference when trying any of the 7950x / 13900k chips in terms of 3ds Max's UI?
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2024-02-09, 21:39:22
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2024-02-20, 10:14:08
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Needing some advice regarding my workstation.

I've had my current 3990x computer since they came out and it has performed great until recently.  It's a prebuild from PC Specialist, which isnt quite the build I wanted as I requested a Noctua fan cooler for the CPU, but was told that it wasnt compatible with the chip.  So ended up going with the Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4.  Every now and again it will just shut off without warning, losing work in the process.  I ignored it for awhile thinking it was just a glitch, but it has happening more frequently now.  I suspect it is overheating as temps were reaching 95degrees underload and around 75 degrees idle, i've since switched off PBO, which has reduced the temps a little, but still having occassions were the computer just turns off.

I'm looking to replace the cooler and having done some reasearch purchased the beQuiet silent loop 2.  However, having now received this I dont think its going to do the job as it doesnt cover the whole chip.  So looking to return it and replace it with something else.  I'm looking at one of the following options:

Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
Icegaint ProSiphon Elite
Silverstone IceGem 360

The icegaint seems to be the best for cooling, but man that thing is ugly.  I was thinking of getting the Icegem as it covers the whole die and from what I've read on this forum from dfcorona seems to perform well.

Any thoughts, help or suggestions appreciated.

2024-02-20, 10:30:57
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Huh, that does sound like overheating to me as well - especially if you're reaching 95c regularly. Could be your AIO pump is failing?

Anyhow, from my personal experience I'm running a 5995wx (64 core part much like your 3990x) and the U14s does a terrific job with it. I'm not running PBO and I do have it set to 100% once the temps go above 60c but the thing is really quiet for a workstation and the max temps I am getting are 72c. So in case that helps...

That said, I'm of the opinion that if you want the very best (short of maybe custom water cooling?) cooling on TR4 then the Icegiant is it. I initially wanted to get it for my 5995wx but on this platform the socket is rotated 90 degrees so the Icegiant wouldn't really work well - so I opted for the Noctua and I'm really quite pleased with it.
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2024-02-20, 10:43:32
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I've run the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 on my 3990x and it is a great if not the best air cooler for it. I ran it with upgraded fans for better cooling. I then switched to the Silverstone IceGem 360 with upgraded fans, runs even better. I'm running the Silverstone IceGem 360 now on 2 3990x workstations and one 7980x workstation.

2024-02-20, 12:39:37
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I've run the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 on my 3990x and it is a great if not the best air cooler for it. I ran it with upgraded fans for better cooling. I then switched to the Silverstone IceGem 360 with upgraded fans, runs even better. I'm running the Silverstone IceGem 360 now on 2 3990x workstations and one 7980x workstation.

Just curious, have you maybe tried PBO on the 7980x already? :))
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2024-02-20, 16:50:42
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Not yet, hate that you loose warranty and they can tell but I'll probably still do it. I think I can get another 20% performance without going to crazy. Right now I'm getting 34k on Corona benchmark and temps are mid 50's.

2024-02-21, 01:11:05
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Needing some advice regarding my workstation.

I've had my current 3990x computer since they came out and it has performed great until recently.  It's a prebuild from PC Specialist, which isnt quite the build I wanted as I requested a Noctua fan cooler for the CPU, but was told that it wasnt compatible with the chip.  So ended up going with the Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4.  Every now and again it will just shut off without warning, losing work in the process.  I ignored it for awhile thinking it was just a glitch, but it has happening more frequently now.  I suspect it is overheating as temps were reaching 95degrees underload and around 75 degrees idle, i've since switched off PBO, which has reduced the temps a little, but still having occassions were the computer just turns off.

I'm looking to replace the cooler and having done some reasearch purchased the beQuiet silent loop 2.  However, having now received this I dont think its going to do the job as it doesnt cover the whole chip.  So looking to return it and replace it with something else.  I'm looking at one of the following options:

Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
Icegaint ProSiphon Elite
Silverstone IceGem 360

The icegaint seems to be the best for cooling, but man that thing is ugly.  I was thinking of getting the Icegem as it covers the whole die and from what I've read on this forum from dfcorona seems to perform well.

Any thoughts, help or suggestions appreciated.

I had the same issue a while ago and it turned out it was my power supply, worth a look perhaps?

2024-02-21, 09:56:49
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Not yet, hate that you loose warranty and they can tell but I'll probably still do it. I think I can get another 20% performance without going to crazy. Right now I'm getting 34k on Corona benchmark and temps are mid 50's.

Dang, only mid 50s full load? That's beyond impressive :)

Yeah that OC fuse is a rather interesting addition to things. According to a statement from AMD they will respect the warranty IF it did not die from OCing (regardless of the fuse) - but how they'll figure that out I do not know :)
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2024-02-21, 14:05:52
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Needing some advice regarding my workstation.

I've had my current 3990x computer since they came out and it has performed great until recently.  It's a prebuild from PC Specialist, which isnt quite the build I wanted as I requested a Noctua fan cooler for the CPU, but was told that it wasnt compatible with the chip.  So ended up going with the Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4.  Every now and again it will just shut off without warning, losing work in the process.  I ignored it for awhile thinking it was just a glitch, but it has happening more frequently now.  I suspect it is overheating as temps were reaching 95degrees underload and around 75 degrees idle, i've since switched off PBO, which has reduced the temps a little, but still having occassions were the computer just turns off.

I'm looking to replace the cooler and having done some reasearch purchased the beQuiet silent loop 2.  However, having now received this I dont think its going to do the job as it doesnt cover the whole chip.  So looking to return it and replace it with something else.  I'm looking at one of the following options:

Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
Icegaint ProSiphon Elite
Silverstone IceGem 360

The icegaint seems to be the best for cooling, but man that thing is ugly.  I was thinking of getting the Icegem as it covers the whole die and from what I've read on this forum from dfcorona seems to perform well.

Any thoughts, help or suggestions appreciated.

I had the same issue a while ago and it turned out it was my power supply, worth a look perhaps?

I had the same experience as Adam with the power supply in my Intel i9 13900k system about a year ago. I sent it back to PCSpecialist and they replaced it and all has been fine since.

2024-02-22, 07:36:39
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Not yet, hate that you loose warranty and they can tell but I'll probably still do it. I think I can get another 20% performance without going to crazy. Right now I'm getting 34k on Corona benchmark and temps are mid 50's.

Dang, only mid 50s full load? That's beyond impressive :)

Yeah that OC fuse is a rather interesting addition to things. According to a statement from AMD they will respect the warranty IF it did not die from OCing (regardless of the fuse) - but how they'll figure that out I do not know :)
yeah rendering on Corona benchmark I was pulling 34k at 54.4 temp.