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2023-06-22, 21:48:33

dj_buckley

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Not sure what you guys have done to the VFB but it's slow as hell in Corona 10, well it is for me anyway.

All I'm trying to do is delete tone mapping operators, it takes ages after right clicking for the 'delete' option to appear, then it takes ages for it to turn blue so you can actually click it.  Then when you successfully click it, it appears to be pot luck as to whether it actually deletes or not.

2023-06-22, 22:02:51
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It's really really buggy, here's a link to quick screen recording, this is realtime not slowed down or sped up.

It takes an age to respond to clicks, when it does respond sometimes it adds the item, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes when you delete an item it leave a space in the UI - notice how the + option disappears to add another operator, the space then disappears if you hover over something else, sometimes the space gets filled with a duplicate - notice how the bloom and glare header appears twice, sometimes other elements of the UI disappear for a bit.

It's currently unusable for me, this will add hours to my days.

https://www.loom.com/share/61238b69d7ec41b2b999797845159cd4

Using 3ds Max 2024.1 and Corona 10 Official Release from today
« Last Edit: 2023-06-22, 22:14:27 by dj_buckley »

2023-06-26, 17:00:08
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Hi,

I was not able to reproduce any kind of lag with Tonemapping.
Do you have other applications running in the background?

Getting the scene for which you experience the lag and test it will be better.
Do you experience the same lag with other scenes? Does it still happen when restarting 3ds Max (and the PC too, maybe)?
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2023-06-26, 17:19:10
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it's the same for me regardless of scene, i'll try a full restart later but nothing else was running (chrome maybe), just tested now on an empty scene and it's the same.  It works fine if you do the tonemapping from ther ender setup 'edit tonemapping' it's just in the VFB for me

2023-06-26, 17:20:01
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using an i9-7980XE with 128GB ram if that helps

2023-06-26, 17:45:54
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Not experiencing anything similar here. 2024.1 for Max as well, on Win 11.
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2023-06-29, 10:29:41
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Ok so last night I spent a while cleaning up my PC, uninstalled unecessary programs, managed to clear about 200 GB of space on C Drive, cleaned registry, updated drivers etc etc.  Rebooted the PC, opened Max, opened VFB in an empty scene with nothing else running in the background and it still happens just like in the video I shared.

2023-07-03, 09:48:58
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Ok so last night I spent a while cleaning up my PC, uninstalled unecessary programs, managed to clear about 200 GB of space on C Drive, cleaned registry, updated drivers etc etc.  Rebooted the PC, opened Max, opened VFB in an empty scene with nothing else running in the background and it still happens just like in the video I shared.

That is really strange. What GPU do you have? Have you ever experiences similar thing in another software?
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2023-07-03, 09:54:10
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GPU isn't great, it's a relatively old 1050ti.

Nope I don't experience this elsewhere, I've never experienced it in Corona until V10

2023-07-03, 10:12:58
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GPU isn't great, it's a relatively old 1050ti.

Nope I don't experience this elsewhere, I've never experienced it in Corona until V10

and which exact Max version?
It will be great to specify the driver version for 1050ti as well.
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2023-07-03, 10:20:19
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See attached

2023-07-03, 10:48:04
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Thanks.

The report is created to check on our side.
We will update you here in case of any news.
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2023-07-07, 14:11:39
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Hey,

I've been looking into this. Could you try installing the latest Nvidia drivers and see if that helps: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

Please also run windows update and install any missing updates :)

If it doesn't help, I will continue to investigate this.

Cheers!

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2023-07-12, 14:35:02
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Apologies, only just getting round to this.  Do you recommend the Game Ready drivers or the Studio drivers?

2023-07-12, 15:00:41
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Hi,

Either should be fine. Only if you have problems with one, you can try the other.

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2023-07-12, 16:27:40
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Problem persists with the latest drivers.  If anything, it's worse

2023-07-24, 11:38:04
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Hi,

That is strange, we tried this in our office with a range of systems and GPUs (including 1050ti and 650ti) and we cannot reproduce this at all.

I will ask someone from our support team to get back in contact with you and see how we can investigate this further.

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2023-07-24, 11:40:23
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Just to give an update I think it could be an issue with my right-click menus in general, not strictly limited to Corona VFB.

I'm now having issues with simple right click commands in explorer.  The VFB is still slightly unresponsive and laggy with left click operations.

For example, if I try to expand one of the rollouts, it doesn't actually expand until I physically move my mouse again.

2023-07-24, 13:16:38
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Hi, sorry, but we could not reproduce anything like that, and we are not getting any similar reports from other users. Of course this is not 100% certain, but it suggests there may be some problem with your hardware. For example: outdated BIOS/chipset driver, missing Windows Updates, some hardware malfunction. Also, unless I am mistaken, you have Unreal open in your taskbar. Are you performing some CPU- or GPU-heavy tasks with it? Maybe you are just doing too many things at a time? (again, no offense please if I am wrong, this is just a guess)
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2023-07-26, 16:21:51
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Found the problem.

maxstart.max

I removed my custom maxstart.max file and low and behold the VFB is super quick as I'd expect

If i put the maxstart.max file back again, the problem returns.

I'm going to try making a fresh maxstart file

2023-07-26, 16:38:16
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Found the problem.

maxstart.max

I removed my custom maxstart.max file and low and behold the VFB is super quick as I'd expect

If i put the maxstart.max file back again, the problem returns.

I'm going to try making a fresh maxstart file

Can you please share the maxstart file so we can have a look?
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2023-07-26, 16:38:56
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Sure

2023-07-26, 16:54:27
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Trying to narrow it down further.

I've rebuilt the maxstart file and I tested the VFB after changing each individual setting.  The slowdown appears when I add a Curves operator to the stack.

I managed to rebuild the file and everything ran smoothly, as the last thing I did was add curves, it messed up.  So I tried again, this time the first thing I did was add curves, and it messed up straight away.  Without the curves operator in runs as expected.

I've not tested other operators, but the default stack on a clean install on first open works fine.  Will test other operators now.

2023-07-26, 17:09:55
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To further add to this, all other operators are fine providing 'Curves' isn't in your stack.

If you add Curves this is when you get the slowdown.

All of this is being done directly in the VFB.

If you add the Curves from the 'Edit Tone Mapping' feature in the render settings, it operates smoothly UNLESS you have the frame buffer open.

It should be simple to test.

Open clean scene.

Open Render Settings

Open Edit Tone Mapping

Add Curves operator

Delete Curves operator

Add Curves operator back in

Everything seems nice and smooth so far

Open the VFB

Try and delete Curves from the Edit Tone Mapping window

This is where mine slows down and I get major right-click lag.

Close VFB

Try and delete Curves from the Edit Tone Mapping window now.  Nice and smooth again?  But if you reopen the VFB you'll find it's stuck in the laggy version despite the fact you've now deleted the Curves operator.

So it looks like either Curves is corrupting the VFB, or having the VFB open in conjunction with the Curves operator is causing a slowdown/corruption somewhere.  Or both.

2023-07-26, 18:10:26
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I tried the steps above and I notice that at
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Open the VFB

Try and delete Curves from the Edit Tone Mapping window

This is where mine slows down and I get major right-click lag.
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the right click was instant and not laggy, but choosing delete took about 2 or 3 seconds for Curves to disappear - before that point, the "+, Reset, Presets" disappeared and Curves still seemed to be there, until finally things redrew and Curves vanished and the buttons came back. Once that has happened, the same thing happens whenever deleting the bottom operator in the stack (and does not happen if I restart Max and delete the bottom operator in the stack without adding Curves; also does not happen if I add other operators rather than Curves to the bottom of the stack and then delete those).

Is this what you are experiencing?

Video attached, showing first deleting before curves working smooththly, then addition and deletion of Filmic working smoothly, then Curves after which things get a bit strange :)


EDIT - just to confirm, once Curves is added, deleting ANY operator in the stack (not just Curves, and not just the bottom one) causes this redraw lag for the delete to take effect in a redraw.

Also, I notice that once Curves is added, when you click and drag to reposition an item in the stack, the blue line no longer shows up to show where the item will be dropped (but it still drops just fine with no lag).
« Last Edit: 2023-07-26, 18:14:50 by TomG »
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2023-07-26, 18:15:56
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Basically yes, as soon as you add curves, everything else starts messing up from that point onwards.  It's very temperemental

2023-07-27, 11:08:50
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Just to narrow it down to exact problem:

So the issue is not related to maxstart file. VFB is lagging for you when ever you have:
• VFB open
• There is Curves operator in it

right?
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2023-07-27, 11:10:30
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Yes, it just so happened that I had the Curves operator saved into the maxstart file.

Adding curves operator to the tone mapping stack screws things up in the VFB.  Simple as that

2023-07-27, 11:15:53
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Yes, it just so happened that I had the Curves operator saved into the maxstart file.

Adding curves operator to the tone mapping stack screws things up in the VFB.  Simple as that

The report is made and is being tracked now.

(Internal ID=1168142509)

Can you please confirm if this was not the case and everything was working smoothly for you with Corona 9?
You can try using the multiloaders to test it out.
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2023-07-27, 11:26:19
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Corona 9 was absolutely fine

2023-07-27, 11:35:48
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Corona 9 was absolutely fine

Thanks, the info is added to the task. We will update here in case of any news.
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2023-08-08, 10:35:30
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Just wanted to update this.  I've just opened an old scene created and setup in Corona 9, and the problem isn't there.  So it seems like it's specific to Corona 10 i.e. adding the curves operator in Corona 10 is where the issue lies, if the curves was added in Corona 9 but opened in 10 it seems to work fine.

2023-08-08, 16:41:13
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Hi,

Finally, we were able to reproduce this in-house.

It is with our dev team and will be fixed in v11.

Thanks for your help and patience with this one :)

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2023-08-08, 17:02:36
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No chance of a hotfix?  It seems pretty fundamental?  Are you able to shed any light on what the problem is

2023-08-08, 17:23:29
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No chance of a hotfix?  It seems pretty fundamental?  Are you able to shed any light on what the problem is
So far, we are not planning a hotfix. But this can, of course change.

The new curves editor seems to be to blame for this issue. Other than that I don't have any more information on it right now.

I will let you know when we have an update.

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2023-09-26, 13:11:13
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Hi, I saw that there are plans for Corona 10 hotfix. Is there a chance this issue will also be fixed?

2023-10-03, 12:20:46
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Hi,

The hotfix will be just for the triplanar bug.

As a note, this isn't fixed yet in the dailies. I will notify here when it is fixed.

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2023-11-15, 20:16:33
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Hi,

This has been fixed in v11 daily build 2023-11-10. You can grab the latest daily in the usual place.

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