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Title: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: maru on 2016-08-03, 17:11:58
IR will probably be improved at some point anyway, but I just wanted to share some idea with you, maybe it could evolve into something better with the help of other Coronauts.

So the idea is to have a floating overlay menu when hovering mouse cursor over the IR window. The menu would remain hidden, so it would not obstruct the image. Some ideas for buttons:
-force refresh
-zoom in/out
-pause/continue
-custom samples multiplier
-pass limit toggle
-region
-render elements
-other...

What do you think?
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: PROH on 2016-08-03, 19:02:27
Hi Maru. I assume you're talking about IR in a viewport. I've wanted something like this for ages, and could easily settle for a little less than you are listing. My priority would be:

- force refresh/recalculate displacement
- pause/continue
- zoom in/out

so +1000 for this :)
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: TomG on 2016-08-03, 19:24:46
PROH's list sounds like the ones I would find most beneficial (if we had to put them in order of priority).
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: agentdark45 on 2016-08-03, 19:31:55
+1 for the zoom feature. I quite like the the current implementation of the multiple regions.
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: alexyork on 2016-08-03, 21:14:20
- region/blow-up control directly in IR viewport
- pause/resume

Just these two would save so much time and hassle for us.
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: Christa Noel on 2016-08-04, 09:37:58
-pause/resume
-ZOOM
-and how about on/off safe frame https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php/topic,10035.msg64125.html#msg64125 (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php/topic,10035.msg64125.html#msg64125) ? not so important but please.. =)
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: PROH on 2016-08-04, 11:30:32
Yes, safe frame on/off would be great - but why not just let IR follow the view-port setting? Meaning if the active view-port uses safe frame then IR uses safe frame, but if the view-port doesn't use safe frame then IR won't either. This way there's no need for extra controls/buttons.
Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: Frood on 2016-08-04, 11:55:04
why not just let IR follow the view-port setting?

Yes, anything else appears strange to me.

Btw about zoom: wouldn't mouse wheel zoom be enough even in viewport mode? Is there really need for buttons? Or should the wheel stay reserved as support for 2D Pan Zoom may come in future?

Good Luck

Title: Re: IR Controls
Post by: Christa Noel on 2016-08-05, 04:21:39
Btw about zoom: wouldn't mouse wheel zoom be enough even in viewport mode? Is there really need for buttons? Or should the wheel stay reserved as support for 2D Pan Zoom may come in future?
yes zoom button is ugly, but mouse wheel zoom in VFB (just like when do production rendering)

why not just let IR follow the view-port setting? .. no need for extra controls/buttons.
That's what I mean :)
Title: Re: Docked VFB - IR Controls
Post by: Ondra on 2017-04-01, 23:12:26
in progress...
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: maru on 2018-06-28, 15:11:22
internal note: id=249850128
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Benjamin_F on 2018-07-07, 19:21:12
Well not exactly for the menu, but these are the functions that would help to improve IR a lot.

- set focus
- select objects, materials
- assign materials with drag and drop
- rotate/pan viewport
- read/see Lux values

Both in the floating and in the extended viewport IR.

sorry if I wrote them in the wrong place
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Frood on 2018-07-13, 17:09:39
Frequently I try to work with docked IR because it's more tidy in the first instance.

But there is one very basic issue and I abandon it sooner or later every time for that reason:

The FB gets cleared after stopping it! Why? I want to be able to look at the image again and again to think about what has to be done next while going on with the work. But I stare at a Corona logo instead.

I know that one can copy the content to max but why so cumbersome? Please just leave the content alone until next restart/update.


Good Luck


Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: romullus on 2018-07-13, 17:28:01
+1
Yes please. That is something i always wanted, but was affraid to ask :]
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: PROH on 2018-07-13, 17:34:10
+2 Yes please. That is something I always wanted, and actually asked for :)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Dalton Watts on 2018-07-13, 18:22:21
Agreed! That is annoying. "Click to start" is also cumbersome IMHO.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: FrostKiwi on 2018-07-16, 12:10:57
Is there a way to make the IR in viewport automatically adjust ratio to fit the view?
Unless I missed something that would be my feature request: Fit ratio to viewport ratio, for a nice quad view experience during the shading phase.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: maru on 2018-07-16, 13:26:34
Is there a way to make the IR in viewport automatically adjust ratio to fit the view?
Unless I missed something that would be my feature request: Fit ratio to viewport ratio, for a nice quad view experience during the shading phase.
Ratio of the image rendered with IR is based on the render output settings. So basically you would like to unlock it, and have the IR fill the whole space inside the viewport? That might show different thing than the camera sees.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: FrostKiwi on 2018-07-16, 13:42:14
Ratio of the image rendered with IR is based on the render output settings.
I know that, but it's really nice to have a filled quad view, instead of a cut rectangle. Really just a minor Quality of life improvement.
edit:
or rather Fit ratio to Viewport during Perspective and Orthographic view, and force to output ratio when looking through a camera.
That might show different thing than the camera sees.
Yeah, obviously it will ruin any composition attempt. But that's why it should be optional, just to make for a nice shading workflow.
See Image attachment. Fill Viewport for shading, Real output ratio for composition.

I guess it is a bit nonsense in the ArchViz context, but these days I'm doing mostly CAD stuff, so it's nice to have a viewport that show's me as much as possible.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: romullus on 2018-07-16, 14:16:07
Usually i adjust viewport itself to match render ratio. As a bonus, that also slightly increases size of 2 other viewports.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: actrask on 2018-08-22, 23:04:32
Being able to cycle through the render elements in the interactive IR viewport would be really helpful.

I always find myself needing to stop the viewport IR and launch IR in the VFB just to see what's going on in the reflection pass.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Crazy Homeless Guy on 2018-08-23, 00:52:20

I have a question...  Why do some prefer to use the viewport IR?   Is there an advantage?  I have always found the floating window to be more powerful and more flexible as I can simply move it to my second monitor without the need to sacrifice the windows of my modeling space.  Is it anything more than personal preference?
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: cecofuli on 2018-08-23, 00:57:45
No second monitor? =)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: actrask on 2018-08-28, 23:06:16
@Crazy Homeless Guy, for me it's because the less distance my eyes have to dart back and forth between the viewport and the IR the better. Once I get the look of the shot or material dialed in I switch to the VFB IR maximized on my second monitor.

What would be sweet is if you could navigate with your mouse inside the interactive viewport. Or is this a thing and I don't know about it? (!)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: dftr on 2018-08-31, 10:30:08
Guys, if may I.. Fit render resolution as Vray has in interactive. Thats amazing to work in 6k with no stress
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: actrask on 2018-08-31, 21:13:59
I like the multiple region thing, but how about the 'mouse brush region' that vray has. That was always kinda nice to have when needing to checkout how little refractions and such are behaving.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: actrask on 2019-01-09, 22:54:28
Someway to input the pixel dimensions of the VFB. Or anything to be able to A/B a render in the history that is greyed out with "Size Mismatch". I fight with this every single day.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: bcgi on 2019-01-10, 13:34:03
Can we have a "solo" button in lightmix if it's not too difficult to implement? You can easily isolate lights or light groups with it. I like to set up my lights one by one and ATM I have to turn on and off my lights all the time.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: maru on 2019-01-14, 12:18:13
Can we have a "solo" button in lightmix if it's not too difficult to implement? You can easily isolate lights or light groups with it. I like to set up my lights one by one and ATM I have to turn on and off my lights all the time.
Not sure if I understood this correctly, but now you can toggle all lights off with a single click ("Toggle all"), and then tick only the single light that you wish to see. Then repeat for the next light.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: bcgi on 2019-01-15, 12:22:28
Yes, the "solo" button should do the same just in one round, you don't have to click twice and if not all of your lights are turned on in lightmix you have to keep in mind which ones to turn back on again, the solo button should remember the previous set of turned on/off lights. After you have finished the adjustment of the isolated lights and you turn off solo mode it should go back to the original state.  So it's nothing special. I have seen that kind of solo button in some other engines as far as I remember they have that in Octane and Maxwell, but I am not sure.


Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: PauloRosario on 2019-11-07, 22:19:46
Hi guys.
Would an interactive 360 ​​frame buffer be possible?
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Frood on 2019-11-08, 08:30:21
Would that not be basically just a perspective camera rotating in Z? Or do you mean having a finished 360° render in the VFB and re-project it so that it can be viewed directly - a pano viewer integrated in the VFB?


Good Luck


Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Igor Lapin on 2019-12-15, 08:47:39
Hi!
Please memorize window scaling. When you change the resolution of the picture, the render window changes its size, it is not convenient.
And it is possible to make the image scale tied to the render window, and it was possible to change the scale from 1-100% (and over), like in photoshop, and not 1:1, 1:2, and so on. In both cases, interactive render and production render.
Thanks.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Igor Lapin on 2019-12-17, 08:55:17
And the same problem with scaling in "specify Cropping/Placement" window.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Jens on 2021-03-03, 09:57:44
Hey fellas

I would love to be able to have a small floating viewport with interactive rendering running all the time and then be able to use 2D pan/zoom in it to tweak things. Any update being able to do this? :)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: alyweka on 2021-04-30, 23:56:09
i wish we have options to choose between intel AI or nvidia AI denoiser in interactive viewport rendering so we can use old VGA card not only RTX as it has shortage in the market now and intel AI not bad....or perhaps make option to choose old nvidia driver for old VGA card
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: romullus on 2021-05-01, 10:31:12
You don't need RTX card to run Optix denoiser. AFAIK any relatively recent GTX card (Maxwell and later) will do the job. I have GTX 1060 and Optix denoiser in Corona IR runs just fine. As for the Intel denoiser, it performes denoising only when rendering is finished, so it wouldn't be good choice for interactive rendering.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: TomG on 2021-05-03, 15:08:05
I have a 980 Ti and it also works fine with the NVIDIA denoiser :)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: kino_unico on 2021-05-09, 19:09:25
it would be great to have a shortcut within the frame buffer that is a zoom to fit added to the "F" key.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Architex on 2022-05-04, 09:24:17
Just simply enable the option to resize VFB Interactive Render as needed.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: NicolasC on 2022-05-04, 10:09:05
Morning all :)

I jump in this thread for something that has been mentioned in the past: being able to navigate directly in IPR view ... is it still planned somehow ?

Apart that, my list of priorities would be:

- pause/restart
- regions handling

On a side note, I want to say I love using 2d Pan/Zoom feature along with IPR, it's really handy !

Regards.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Architex on 2022-07-28, 18:54:38
Just do add some ideas.

- iR with the ability to resize as we want.
- Better syncronize with tone mapping parameters and corona camera mod.
- faster glare and bloom response.
- poligonal render selection.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: Kalopsia on 2022-11-18, 14:57:03
This might be a problem with Autodesk and 3dsMAX when using 4K monitors, but there could certanly be a workaround.

The IR takes into account the System scalling applyed in Windows. So when working on a 4K monitor and using a 150% scalling, you end up with a 2032x1355 px window size that is being scaled to fill a 4K monitor. This is certanly not a good idea. Corona should just get it's IR resolution directly from Windows with no scaling, so it uses the native resolution of the monitor.

This might be a problem when you want to get the right scaling for the UI but that could be fixed if the IR resolution just works like in VRAY

It's not a big deal form me, becaus I don't use IR that much but it certanly is a problem. BTW this also happens when working on a 2K monitor and scaling it's resolution, so any monitor you scale will not give you a native image size and it will we magnified to fit your window.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: arqing on 2022-12-14, 19:27:30
Hi.
I don't think that Elements are really a need for IR. We can see them on the VFB already, that's enough.
Less is more.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: alexyork on 2022-12-15, 17:53:53
Hi.
I don't think that Elements are really a need for IR. We can see them on the VFB already, that's enough.
Less is more.

Sorry, disagree fully. I spend almost all my time in IR all day long, docked in a viewport. Having some small dropdown in that viewport to quickly switch between elements would be a huge time-saver. Sometimes more is more :)
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: aaouviz on 2022-12-15, 18:14:07
Hi.
I don't think that Elements are really a need for IR. We can see them on the VFB already, that's enough.
Less is more.

Sorry, disagree fully. I spend almost all my time in IR all day long, docked in a viewport. Having some small dropdown in that viewport to quickly switch between elements would be a huge time-saver. Sometimes more is more :)

100% Agree

At the very least, it'd be great to be able to have the option (a tick box in settings) to Interactively render the elements in docked IR viewport.
Title: Re: All viewport mode interactive rendering feature requests
Post by: fabio81 on 2023-06-09, 14:20:01
I think it would be very useful to have the Force path tracing ON/OFF function in the VFB.
I use it continuously