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Ondra:
Hi,

I am currently struggling with the issue of how to implement background overrides properly. Obviously there will be overrides in the global Corona settings. Currently these are:

- Reflection override
- Refraction override
- Direct visibility override (also used for opacity and double-sided glass rays)

The "main" background (for diffuse lighting and all other components that are not overriden) is taken from the "Environment and effect" 3dsmax dialogue.

First problem: Should the "Main" background settings be also in Corona dialogue, to keep all needed settings in single place? The options are:

* Remove all main background settings from Corona dialogue, use 3dsmax's entirely
* Have all main background settings in Corona dialogue, ignoring the 3dsmax's controls
* Link the two, i.e. when something is changed in the first one, it changes in the other one too
Then we need per-material overrides. The question is, how to do it. Most renderers have just reflection override, but there is no reason why other two couldn't be added. So:
Second problem: What should be overridable on per-material basis? Only reflections? Reflections&refractions? Direct rays (what is seen through transparent materials)? What is seen on diffuse surfaces?

And the last problem is how to implement the per-material overrides in GUI. One possibility is to add map slots for all of them. Other possibility is to create a special Corona map that will have the different slots for different overrides. This was proposed by somebody (I dont remember who) as easy way to intechange prepared "presets" of backgrounds.

Third problem: Implement individual overrides or "override shader" texmap? Which is more user-friendly? Do the override shader also for global overrides?

Discuss...

racoonart:
First problem:
Remove the "main" override from rendersettings; keep direct, reflect, refract in the Rendersettings and use the standard 3dsmax global environment settings for the "main" setting. I hate it when different renderengines try to bypass the max functionality. That's horrible for scripting and is always causing unnecessary trouble.

Second problem:
I'd love to have all possibilities :) direct, reflect, refract,... If it's possible, why not?

Third problem:
Override map for a environment slot wouldn't be a bad idea. So we can instance this map on serveral other materials, which is way easier to change than having each slot seperately in each material.
I like having the individual colors and slots in the rendering options but it would be ok to make a slot for a "environment override map", too.

Ludvik Koutny:
But seriously, ask yourself a question. Have you ever personally in your professional career needed to override environment per material? Like if you have 2 spheres in same scene, and each reflects different environment, or they both reflect same enviro but one of them refracts something different. Does that even make sense? Why would you want to do such a thing?

We are talking about per material !Environment! override, not per material ray switcher, like MR or Vray have, where you can make material return for example different diffuse color for GI than what is directly visible. ;)

Just think about it.... I am not against this feature, but not matter how hard i think, i can't come up with single scenario where this functionality would make any significant benefit. That's why i am asking, so maybe someone can come up with something.

loocas:

--- Quote from: Rawalanche on 2012-09-28, 16:54:38 ---But seriously, ask yourself a question. Have you ever personally in your professional career needed to override environment per material? Like if you have 2 spheres in same scene, and each reflects different environment, or they both reflect same enviro but one of them refracts something different.
--- End quote ---

Yes, many times.

As explained via skype. When I setup my shot and everything looks cool, for examply my chrome reflects perfectly fine my HDRis, but my glass looks a bit flat, so, what I can do with a per-material override, is to copy the same HDRi, offset it, or even crop it a bit and apply it only to my glass materials.

Arguing against this option is pointless. It's an option to those who need and use it. Period.

racoonart:
Oh, there are definitely reasons for that. I could have needed that just 1 week ago. It's not about needing it every day... but when you have to change such a thing you're happy when you have it. There are clients who want to change some very specific things and that's sometimes very difficult to do without a lot of override options. I'd be happy to have it...

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