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Hardware / Re: Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-14, 01:24:41 »

I have 13900K in my laptop in form of 13900HX and it does absolutely fine with the microscopic cooling that laptops provide ;- ) Yes it's super loud but that is other thing. And I can run it 170W sustained for hours.

280mm vs 360mm is absolutely meaningless distinction. It's 392cm2 vs 432cm2 in the crudest possible calculation :- ). So less than 10perc. of difference in surface area.
Buy what is available and has good price. ML360 is perfectly ok AIO.

Every AIO will do the same job within +/ 5C degree difference. Arctic is popular because it's one of very few that provide thicker radiator, but every one on market will do ok job.

None of these details will make meaningful difference.

My only advice is to buy good case the first time, you will not enjoy swapping everything, selling the old case, etc. Buy a good, well-sized case the first time and that's it.
And don't underestimate power delivery. Reputable brand with 1000W rating is the right way to go. One thing where saving money is not good idea.

I understand, I'm going to try to buy a slightly better tower, now you say that the power supply has to be a 1000w one? Remembering that I'm going to use an RTX 3070...

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Hardware / Re: Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-13, 20:19:47 »

@mvpetropolis

You shouldn't be going anything below a 280 in my opinion for the 7590x or 12900k. 360 is ok of course and even the 280 Arctic Freezer gives better results then a 360 in some online reviews.

unfortunately here in Brazil ARCTIC Liquid are very limited, it is not a brand that you can find in any store here, and that is why it is much more expensive than other traditional brands but which are well accepted in my region, I found this one from ARCTIC Liquid 280 but much more expensive than other brands, I'll do some research to see if these others are as efficient as it, thank you very much...

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Hardware / Re: Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-13, 20:16:03 »

First of all, don't worry about the CPU temps :- ). Let's go over it:

- These CPUs are designed to survive 90+ C just fine. When they reach threshold, they will simply downclock. They're designed this way, to maximize the boost performance, but they will never (almost!) self-destruct ;- )
- They will also always run hot simply because of their architecture. They're built on modern, dense node. The actual chip under the heat spreader is tiny. So the problem with cooling them, has very little do do with cooler on top, and how capable said cooler is at dissipation of heat into space. Problem is heat transfer between the chip (or chip+heatspreader) and the contact area of heatsink.
- And because of that, it makes very little difference what cooler you actually get. Any big-tower like Noctua NH-D15 or AIO kits like Arctic Freezer will do excellently. And since your worry is about living in hot country, the issue would be your room ambient temperature and no cooling system outside of sub-ambient ones (like AC, ICE or Pelter, etc..) can fight that.

So, don't worry about that at all.

Both Intel and AMD also offer easy "ECO" modes that limit the power-draw. There is power curve to these chips where the difference between 100W and 200W can often be <5perc. Negligible. But your chip will run cooler and your room will be cooler too ;- ).

For Intel:
K includes iGPU and has higher stock clock
KF has no iGPU but keeps higher stock clock
F is budget version without iGPU and with lower stock clock

Both Intel 13gen and AMD 7xxx are excellent choices.

For completely new build, DDR5 makes completely sense. Intel + DDR4 is good if you have a lot of memory you can re-use. Otherwise, DDR5 it is.

Thank you very much for the tips, the water cooler I was thinking about getting is this WATER COOLER COOLER MASTER MASTERLIQUID ML360R RGB and the case is the Gamer Rise Mode Galaxy Glass Standard Cabinet, I don't want to spend so much on aesthetics, the case isn't one of the prettiest but it looks like It cools well, it is compatible with 10 fans, it fits 360 mm video so I think at the moment it is enough for an RTX 3060 12 GB, but when I invest in a GPU I would perhaps change the case to support larger cards, but My question is whether with this case and this walter cooler support it will be enough for the 7950x?

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Hardware / Re: Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-13, 17:14:19 »

Hello there. Both cpu's heat up a lot and if that is one of the main reasons for picking one over the other I would then go for the 7950x. It has a one button solution in Ryzen Master called Eco mode.
By going Eco mode you cut the temperature 30 degrees you also cut the performance a bit but that is the trade off and you can always switch back directly from Windows.

You should also look for a good case with great airflow combined with a big AIO. The Artcic Liquid freezer II 420 is quiet good and yet cheap compared to the competitors. You could also throw a Noctua NH-d15 but from experience I know you will get better results with the bigger AIO, unless you go for a quiet expensive case with superb airflow (fractal design torrent) and cut the margin even more.

Keep in mind that for Intel you need to go for Win 11 to get the best possible performance. You can also play with the settings in Bios to achieve better temperatures but Ryzen is much easier for that. You asked about the difference between 13900k and kf. K is with the onboard VGA while KF is without it. The cpu's should be identical in performance but you always have the silicon lottery part.

I don't know what to tell you about the ram. To be honest ddr4 had ok prices a year ago while ddr5 was 50% more expensive (depends on the market). Now, looks like overnight to me :) prices have been cut in half or even more. ddr5 is cheaper then ddr4 used to be and ddr4 is just crazy cheap now :)

At the end of the day it all depends on your budget and the prices available to you in your market/country. Whatever you choose you won't make a mistake since the performance of both Ryzen and Intel is really close if not identical sometimes ( for our case scenario, rendering, modelling, etc...). Just play with the components, watch some reviews and see what you can get for a good price. Good luck!

Do you think that a 360MM water cooler is no use, does it have to be a 420mm one?

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Hardware / Re: Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-13, 17:03:27 »

Well, I want to thank everyone without exception, thank you very much for every tip and comment, Vuk really about DDR5 I saw that in some cases it actually costs cheaper than DDR4, the motherboard is still a little more expensive, I didn't know that ECO option which makes configuration a lot easier, especially since I'm not a deep connoisseur, Burnin unfortunately my budget won't be able to buy a processor like this at the moment, here in Brazil things are very expensive, the taxes are absurd which makes it very difficult for us budget at the moment is at most for one of the processors, Cgrobo I was very inclined towards the 7950x but on the internet the vast majority of reviews are for games, and it seems that aimed at games the i9 is better especially in the single core comparison which is not In my case, gaming for me is Ps5 desktop work, and the 7950x has a slightly better rating on Benchmark, here in Brazil the 7950x are slightly cheaper, and on the card I intend to put an RTX3060 momentarily because I'm investing more in the processor, Do you think the 12GB 3060 is a good option at the moment?

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Hardware / Configure New PC 7950x or 13900K

« on: 2023-09-13, 01:27:01 »

Hello my friends, I have a little doubt about processors, in fact my doubt would be between the Ryzen 7950x and the Intel 13900F, in fact I saw that Intel has two models, the other would be the 13900K, which seems to be more expensive but performed worse in Benchmark, the 7950x I saw that it only accepts DDR 5 but in my case I'm going to build a complete desktop so I'm not going to reuse memory, but I also don't know if it's worth buying DDR5 memory to what extent does it improve performance in Corona Render? 13900F accepts DDR4 and DDR5 so that would be another doubt since DDR5 motherboards are much more expensive, another thing seems that the 7950x heats up a lot, I live in Brazil in a very hot region, I will definitely use a Walter cooler on this desktop. 360, but would it be enough to withstand hours of rendering? Good friends, I have a lot of doubts but if you could help me, I would really appreciate it...

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[Max] General Discussion / Caustic artifacts

« on: 2023-03-22, 13:21:25 »

Hello, could someone help me about these artifacts that appeared in my image? I checked the caustic option for it to bounce only on the pool structure, when I isolate the pool and water only ñ this problem, I thought it could be the shadow of the umbrelone but he also isolated ñ gave this problem

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[Max] General Discussion / Re: Slow Render

« on: 2023-03-17, 19:16:01 »

It's 3:33 minutes I think it's within the time frame, from the test I did here eliminating what else is making the render take longer is the high amount of grass with translucency, when the grass isn't there the time drops by half....

Is this your Corona benchmark time? I think it's pretty slow. The median time for 5930K is about 02:54 You may want to see what's slowing down your computer. Maybe it's some resource hungry program running in the background, maybe it's clogged OS. You're loosing at least 20% of performance and that's not something to sniff at.

Regarding the grass, i think it's expected that large amounts of it will slow down your render significantly. It also depends on how well its material is optimized. Sometimes people use refraction in vegetation shader and that could be real performance killer.

So actually, my C drive where 3ds Max is installed is quite full, I think this could affect it a little, regarding the grass material I'm using it very simple, only translucency, I'm going to change the translucency and put only one color instead of one texture for time if the time drops a little...

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[Max] General Discussion / Re: Slow Render

« on: 2023-03-14, 14:17:30 »

Hard to say if there could be anything wrong, but only judging by the rendertime vs CPU, I would say it sounds about right.
I'm on a Threadripper 3970X which cpubenchmark.net says is about 6 times faster, and I get anything from 30 minutes to 1,5 hours depending on the scene

It's 3:33 minutes I think it's within the time frame, from the test I did here eliminating what else is making the render take longer is the high amount of grass with translucency, when the grass isn't there the time drops by half....

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[Max] General Discussion / Slow Render

« on: 2023-03-13, 14:08:03 »

I would like an opinion on the slowness of a render, is it normal for a render of an external project to take 2 hours and 40 minutes with HDRI lighting, 2400 x 1817 resolution, 7% noise limit setting with hight quality filter, all default settings GI with Path Tracing and UHD Cache, the scene has a lot of grass and trees, about 7 million polygons, it's all optimized with textures of 1024 px and about five with 4k, only one displacement, I don't have a missing message memory it renders well, my doubt is about the time to be able to clean the scene, when I put 4% noise limit it goes up to 5 hours and 40 minutes, my desktop has the configuration of I7 5930 K, 32 Ram, Corona 9 updated and 3ds Max 2019, all vegetation created with chaos scatter.

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Scatter Edge Trimming Playground!

« on: 2023-02-27, 19:14:47 »

Hello, how are you? Well, I want to contribute to the community by explaining how I solved my problem, I had already tried everything, changed the materials, imported all the blocks again, the funny thing is that this igrass collection all the blocks had the same problem, it was Here I thought of giving the block a RESET XFORM, bingo the problem was solved, thanks for your attention...

If you are using some collection, it will be a good idea to inform the author(s) about this XForm related issue. Maybe the models came with a modified XForm and need to be reset.

Yes I already informed them

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Scatter Edge Trimming Playground!

« on: 2023-02-27, 12:27:38 »

Hello, how are you? Well, I want to contribute to the community by explaining how I solved my problem, I had already tried everything, changed the materials, imported all the blocks again, the funny thing is that this igrass collection all the blocks had the same problem, it was Here I thought of giving the block a RESET XFORM, bingo the problem was solved, thanks for your attention...

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Scatter Edge Trimming Playground!

« on: 2023-02-26, 17:55:47 »

Did you check if both proxy objects are actually set to the same display mode? If one of them is set to full mesh and the other is set to something else, that would explain the results that you are getting with edge trimming. If both are set to the same display mode, but the edge trimming is working with only one of them, then you can contact the support and provide both proxy files for inspection. https://support.chaos.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

Thank you very much for your attention, I am contacting support but I want to record this bug here in the post, I did new tests without a proxy and with different grass objects, one igrass and the other from dgrass the one from igrass did not work, the one from dgrass it worked perfectly both had the Chaos Scatter Edge Trimming texture on their respective materials...

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[Max] Daily Builds / Re: Chaos Scatter Edge Trimming Playground!

« on: 2023-02-26, 02:14:51 »

Edge trimming won't work on proxies unless their display mode is set to full mesh. On the other hand it makes very little sense to have such a small object as clump of grass converted to proxy. I suggest to convert it back to mesh and avoid any potential problems related to proxies.

Thank you very much for your feedback, it's an optimization craze I end up converting everything into a proxy, but really both examples are of a proxy, the difference is that one worked and the other didn't, that's why I wanted to report the problem.

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[Max] Daily Builds / Edge trimming texmap problem

« on: 2023-02-25, 14:59:55 »

Hello, well, I have a small doubt about using chaos scatter edge trimming texmap, I realized that in some objects even inserting the map in apacy it doesn't work right causing the grass to exceed the determined limit, I'm loading two examples with different objects, one she worked perfectly and the other one didn't, do you know what could be happening?