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Ryzen 5995XW Build - your opinion
shortcirkuit:
Thanks for the repliy mate.
So correct me here if i am wrong, the 13900KS on the benchmarks is around 30 seconds. I currently have a 3970X TR and these results are around 27-29 secs.
Am i missing something here or is the 13900KS just a little slower than what i currently have? the price of a 13900KS is just over 1K AUD. Massive price difference compared to the 3970x - with me now wanting the 5995xw which according to the benchmarks is around 11 seconds and costs over 11K AUD. Price vs Performance wise, am i missing something or am i better off getting 2 or 3 13900KS instead?
Juraj:
1) Give up Raid. That's just nonsense nowadays. And it won't make any read/write of your files faster in reality. I have Enterprise Optane drives, it doesn't make 3dsMax read textures even fraction of second faster and Optane is magnitude better than the sequential monstrosities with NAND :- ). You will never utilize the sequential advantage over single drive, they're already absolute over the top. Save the money, save the complexity, be more safe.
2) I have no issue with 2000W PSU :- ). But since adding second GPU is almost impossible nowadays, high-quality 1600W PSU might be better choice. That will still be overkill (but overkill is good for transient spikes and stability), but closer to ideal efficiency curve and it will be of higher quality.
3) Yes, 13900K, 7950X/7950X3D are in fact, faster for working during 3dsMax than current Threadripper/Xeons. With Threadripper/Xeons, you get the multi-threaded advantage, which is good if you also use your own PC a lot for rendering final files as well (like overnight).
Sadly Threadrippers due to PRO tag got lot more expensive, so they are the same price as upcoming Xeon-S (expect my testimonial video soon lol). A lot of money, for less improvement than you might like. If you only need single PC, buying them still makes sense. If you own studio with employees, I would buy everyone 13900K/7950X and only buy Threadrippers/Xeons/Epycs as Render-farm.
Also, you have to account for the price of components, buying 128-256GB DDR5 and 2TB of SSDs and current motherboard and PSU prices really offset some of the sting of Threadripper/Xeon build. Don't buy 3 Mainstream PCs for personal use :- ). It's either 1x Mainstream platform + 1x Enterprise platform, or just 1x Enterprise platform.
HERE COMES THE MOST IMPORTANT ADVICE :- ) Right after you build the PC, INSTALL NEW FIRMWARE for the Samsung 990 Pro. Like the first thing you will do.
Nejc Kilar:
--- Quote from: shortcirkuit on 2023-03-09, 05:17:43 ---Thanks for the repliy mate.
So correct me here if i am wrong, the 13900KS on the benchmarks is around 30 seconds. I currently have a 3970X TR and these results are around 27-29 secs.
Am i missing something here or is the 13900KS just a little slower than what i currently have? the price of a 13900KS is just over 1K AUD. Massive price difference compared to the 3970x - with me now wanting the 5995xw which according to the benchmarks is around 11 seconds and costs over 11K AUD. Price vs Performance wise, am i missing something or am i better off getting 2 or 3 13900KS instead?
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I would probably take those 13900KS results with a grain of salt. Those are probably overclocked entries so the 13900KS I would still expect to be slower than the 3970x although by all accounts definitely not by a very noticeable amount. My impression is that the 13900KS probably falls somewhere between 34-38s on the benchmark scale. That said, the benchmark doesn't necessarily account for all types of scenes so there might be some additional variation in there going either way imho.
I would most certainly say the same for the 5995wx. My build, as you can see on the entry list, clocks in at around 16-17s. Given that I'm running it without an OC my impression is that this is quite a realistic position for it. It is after all very much like the 3990x but with higher clocks and IPC which should probably account for that extra ~15-20% performance. I definitely can't imagine the 5995wx scoring 11s. That is dual Zen 3 Epyc territory I'd say.
For what its worth I pretty much agree with Juraj on all points except maybe on number 3. I do tend to consider myself to be somewhat fussy for when it comes to waiting for the UI to draw and all those wonderful single threaded tasks where a 7950x or a 13900k is just plain faster than a 5995wx is but when I'm working I really super appreciate the IR speed and I don't quite feel the need for more single threaded performance. I mean it would be great by all means its just that to me it seems like a good in between combo. I haven't used a 13900k or a 7950x yet mind you but the drawback there is that you're just waiting for noise to clear compared to a 5995wx. Depends on your style and needs I guess.
One thing to consider with these new Threadripper Pro builds is that they are incredibly expensive. Especially for arch-viz or product-viz where you don't need 9123412312 PCI-E lanes. So unless you know you'll put it to good use its very much worth considering investing in a mainstream platform and reaping some of that extra single threaded goodness.
Juraj:
Well I had to keep SMT(/Hyperthreading) off on my 3990X for past half year to even make IR smooth for me :- (. So it might be twice as fast as mainstream CPUs, the whole start/close of IR and everything associated with the transient workload around multithreaded one is just slower.
I am testing the latest to be released Xeons for Intel and I have to devise some way to start finally measuring these things. There's just something about 3dsMax or 3dsMax&Corona that is still unfriendly towards these high-core behemoths, whether the issue is still scheduler or intra-core communication is mystery to me.
But my laptops are faster, even for IR.
I mean, on paper, I still love Threadrippers and the new Single-socket Xeons-W are effectively 5xxx Threadrippers just with PCI 5.0 and DDR5. And same price.
But I think there needs to be more optimization done of workstation software side to utilize them which will probably never happen in non-Apple space. And def not for 3dsMax. Even damn Photoshop is just slower and slower.
3990X vs 5990WX is not 20perc ;- ). My 3990X had 17seconds stock config on launch day. It's more like 5 perc. Which is what makes 7xxx Ryzens and Raptor-Lake Intel so much more advanced. The enterprise workstation sector is heavily lagging behind these days. Hopefully the new Xeon-W will even speed up AMD's 7xxx Threadrippers, and hopefully a return of non-Pro versions.
I feel like went full circle in past 6 years. From super expensive enterprise/HEDT CPUs, to very affordable ones, back to super expensive.
GPUs are not even worth mentioning with any positive word.
shortcirkuit:
gents - thanks for your responses.
So, instead of raiding the 2TB (x4) nvme drives, are you suggesting that I just buy an SSD instead and save some money?
I have a 3970X - so i will use this as a render node & as a machine i can work on while the other is rendering.
@Juraj - so with your 3990 - are you saying IR works bad? how do you even turn off hyperthreading?
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