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General Category => General CG Discussion => Hardware => Topic started by: FourPixels on 2015-04-03, 15:31:00
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Hi,
I'm after some advice. I'm looking to purchase a new workstation, but can't decide between these two.
Dual xeon E5-2670
16gd ram 2400
gtx 960 graphics
250gb ssd
I7 5820k
16gb ram
gtx 960
250gb ssd
They are roughly in the same price bracket. Using the benchmarks the dual xeon appears faster, but is three years old.
Dual xeon benchmark is 18580
i7-5820k is 12906
However, not sure how this transfers to real world use.
Thanks.
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EDIT: My post bellow does not apply much anymore in this thread, since it's now possible to buy 2670v1 C1/C2 Xeons very cheaply on all auctions around the world (60-70 dollars for each). Read the whole thread to form full opinion ]
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You are building these or buying already built from someone ? It's unclear from your post what are you actually intending to do/get regarding source.
Because they're not in the same price bracket if you were to build them, even single E5 2670 ( "v1", basically original Sandy-Bridge E, ) would still hold value comparable to i7 like 5820k.
Of course, for workstation, i7 that can be clocked into 4.5Ghz makes better candidate for single-threaded tasks than 2.5Ghz of 2670, but then again, even with overclocking of i7, 2P 2670 will be faster in multi-threaded tasks like rendering.
Regarding Passmark (probably from cpubenchmark.com ? ) scores that you quote, those translate well. (But Cinebench R15 scales better)
Sandy Bridge-E isn't that old (it's 2012 architecture) and the increase in architecture since wasn't drastic (Ivy Bridge +8, Haswell + 5perc. roughly increase for same clock).
T 2P xeon would make better rendering workhorse, but in the latter, Haswell-E i7 overlocked makes better candidate for single-core intensive tasks as workstation
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Thanks Juraj,
They are both pre built systems, the i7 will be new and the dual xeon is second hand, that has been built by an enthusiast.
I was going to with the dual xeon, the plan being to use this for about a year, then get another computer and use the dual xeon as a render machine.
Does this Xeon support embree? I can't seem to find any information about it.
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-2P 2670 v1 = (all-core turboclock) 18 520
Sorry for ressurrecting an old thread but now that I got 2x E5-2670v1 I am exploring ways to squeeze as much juice as I can from them. Juraj could You elaborate a bit about possibility of running all cores at turbo frequency - since You seem to know the topic. Is it motherboard dependent (my mb seems to prevent all tweaking expect for ram) or could it be enabled somehow in operating system?
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It should be enabled by default in Bios. You can only enable Turboclock on/off. If single core is used, it will overclock massively, and then scale down with amount of cores used.
2670 (v1) has base clock of 2.6Ghz and Turbo feature "4/4/5/5/6/6/7/7" (from all to single core). So when rendering with all cores, it should rise to +/- 3.0 Ghz.
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Btw, did you buy one of those Facebook-servers going for 70 dollars each :- ) ? I was looking at it too haha.
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Juraj thanks for clarifying this turbo boost matter. I got confused because in my rig cpu-z sometimes reports wrong cpu frequencies like lowest possible frequency when all cores are engaged. Eventually I compared corona benchmark results with mine and all seems ok - always getting like 1:37.
Btw, did you buy one of those Facebook-servers going for 70 dollars each :- ) ? I was looking at it too haha.
Exactly - very happy with purchase. This duo even slightly outperforms gtx970 in blender cycles rendering speed. The hardest part was getting the motherboard though which is the most expensive part of the rig.
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Which one did you manage to get ?
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Asrock EP2C602
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Can't even find that one anymore much... cheapest I found is Asus Z9PA-D8 for 300 euros, and 380 euros for Z9PE-D8 WS (that's one I use for my other Xeon builds).
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Can't even find that one anymore much... cheapest I found is Asus Z9PA-D8 for 300 euros, and 380 euros for Z9PE-D8 WS (that's one I use for my other Xeon builds).
Cheapest dual socket I could find on retail or used is the Asus Z9PA-D8C (284euro). And I doubt it supports basic DDR3 like the Z9PE-D8 WS did, which makes it even more expensive.
If anyone knows of other cheaper dual-socket boards, I'd love to know :)
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Btw, did you buy one of those Facebook-servers going for 70 dollars each :- ) ? I was looking at it too haha.
Hi Juraj.Do you recommend those dual E5 2670 Xeons as cheap solution for render slave with this price point?
Or is it waste of money?
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I already bought 2 yesterday :- D ( 140 euro for both !)
The issue is it's hard to find good motherboards. I opted for ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS because it takes normal Dimms memory, which I already have plenty at home. I will sell older 3930k+motherboard and just swap this new combo there, paying only 150 +/- euro difference (I paid 380 for the Z9PE because it was opened...otherwise it's 500, the Z9PA is cheaper, but doesn't take regular memory sticks). And then buy 2 Noctua U12S to cool it off.
Pretty cool deal, def more powerful than any i7 currently or up coming (even the new 10 core when clocked), but not as powerful as my current 2680v2 workstation (where I paid 1500 for each Xeon :- D) or the new V4 monstrosities (have you seen Say's and Guthrie's score in benchmark ?).
My new summer project, buy 2699v4 ES for 500 euro each and see if I can build 8k machine under 2k :- )
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I already bought 2 yesterday :- D ( 140 euro for both !)
Thanks mate.As an I7 user i'll steal these then.
I'll appreciate if you can suggest budget friendly components for these please.(Case,Cooler.PSU etc.)
Cheers
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you can buy used cpu at really cheaper pric and only for 2670 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2322090.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.XIntel+Xeon+E5-2670.TRS0&_nkw=Intel+Xeon+E5-2670&_sacat=0
it's rare phenomenon at market, but if you will buy it read some info about stepping and revisions, you can save huge amount of money
sorry video in russian but there config and comparison with i7
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you can buy used cpu at really cheaper pric and only for 2670 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2322090.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.XIntel+Xeon+E5-2670.TRS0&_nkw=Intel+Xeon+E5-2670&_sacat=0
it's rare phenomenon at market, but if you will buy it read some info about stepping and revisions, you can save huge amount of money
sorry video in russian but there config and comparison with i7
Since i'm noob about xeons could you point me at stepping and revisions part.Thanks
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The stepping and revision refer to version of chip. When buying those, earliest revisions can have much lower clock and offer lesser stability and features.
Some of the the E5-2670 v1 which are flooding the market are SR0H8, feature C1 stepping, which lacks working VT-d, a virtualization tech by Intel, which DOESN'T matter for rendering :- ).
It's possible also to buy E5-2670 v1 which is SR0KX, stepping C2 for slightly higher sum.
Again, none of this matters for rendering, as both versions feature otherwise same spec (frequencies, turbos,etc..).
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I see.
Is there an easy way to inspect decent ones when buying?
Also i'd like to now your opinions about supermicro motherboards and the cheap server rams on ebay.
Thanks
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Buy the cheapest :- ) When it's for node, it doesn't matter. When it's for workstation, it does... and SuperMicro has a lot of versions, so if you find one, search it on their website to see if it has what you need (USB 3.0 slot, enough PCI slots,etc..).
Regarding memory, always buy the cheapest :- ) If you buy Supermicro, or Asus Z9PA (opposed to PE WS, first is server board, second is workstation board), you will need DDR3-ECC (1333-1600 Mhz), just find the cheapest. Remember, to run these in quad channel, you need 4 modules for each CPU. But it doesn't matter too much, because for rendering it doesn't matter a lot. Just don't buy 2x16 if you want 32gb :- ) buy 4x8 to run dual-channel, and if you need later 64gb, you will just buy another 4x8.
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Juraj: What would be the cheapest board you can think of for such a render node? Is there a reason why this Xeon CPUs are so cheap?
thanks.
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Guys, I've stumbled upon this phenomenon just 3 days ago :- ) Completely random, I came across that Reddit thread which started it all in 2015.
There is a lot of information about it on internet, I did not bother searching much. I just bought the same board I use for my 2680v2.
I hope to have this PC completed in week +/- and then I will post a blog/tutorial quickly here to help others (if it will WORK :- ) ). But in meantime, I mean, there are about 200 such posts on internet :- )
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Ive just snapped up a couple last night after reading this thread. It seems too good to miss for a cheap render node with some bite....if they work. Looks like they should CB R15 about 2000 points which is definitely worth the corona node license. I think sometimes people build many cheap nodes and forget that each node will need a render license which has an ongoing cost these days now vray has changed its pricing, so I think all major engines now charge for nodes.
As for Mobo I'm hovering over a Asus Z9 PA-D8 which looks to be the cheapest and supports DDR3 and strangely its ATX. It doesn't seem as common as the other Asus boards which is surprising to me as being cheaper and ATX size I would have thought was appealing so not sure why it wasn't popular at the time. It even has a VGA port. Anyone know if this isn't a good option?
Im hoping to build this close to as cheap as I can within reason for a bit of an experiment as I wasn't planning any major investment right now.
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Yup, as Jann said, Asus Z9 PA seems like the cheapest option available in Europe. Are you 100perc. sure it supports non-ECC (U)Dimms ? The Asus only lists that on PE WS. If so it's great choice. But both kind of memory should be plenty cheap available.
The board is strange, I didn't even know it existed and it is younger then PE. It also looks incredibly cheap and shitty :- ) But that should matter at all.
2100 +/- C15 is excellent, in Corona Benchmark it has 1:48 seconds I think ?
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I've just rechecked the spec page and it does support UDIMMS so I think we are safe. Although the supported RAM list is quite short and doesnt have any corsair RAM on it but I suspect its just not been tested by Asus. It does say in the small print it has to be 1600 or lower for the V1 which is worth noting.
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I've just rechecked the spec page and it does support UDIMMS so I think we are safe. Although the supported RAM list is quite short and doesnt have any corsair RAM on it but I suspect its just not been tested by Asus. It does say in the small print it has to be 1600 or lower for the V1 which is worth noting.
Yes,but...
In server boards, UDIMMs in 90perc. of time simply mean Un(buffered/registered) ECC modules, so ECC modules not meant to be stacking in high amounts (clusters).
But if you checked the vendor list and found regular modules, then good, that's what I was lazy to do (because why can't Asus just link directly ?).
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eee crap i've just ordered it but looking again I think you're right. I googled UDIMM and just saw it meant unregistered so I thought I was in the clear with common DDR3. Looked more closely at the supported memory list and they were all ecc. Might have to cancel that. What a pain but my mistake!
EDIT: Trying to get hold of the seller by phone but can't get through. But looking on the Crucial website I can get 2x8GB 1600 compatible EEC kits and if I bought 4 of them as I want 64GB then in terms of price it works out about the same as the WS mobo and RAM combo as I was going to get 2 x 32GB kits for that. Is it safe mixing 4 kits do you know? Another spanner is that there are about 5-6 different 2X8 GB kits, some unbuffered some with CL11 some CL13. I think CL11 is better but my knowledge is defo being tested. Might give them an email!
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The Z9PE-D8 WS system I had with two 2660 C0 stepping ES xeons, worked fine with 4 kits of 2x8Gb ddr3 (KHX1600C10D3B1K2/16G)
The only trouble was setting the timings manually, as otherwise anything above 1333MHz would freak the ram out and show less amount. But once I set the correct timings, all 64Gb worked fine at full 1600MHz.
I have honestly never had trouble with mixing ram as long as it's the same model, and you don't AUTO everything. Though I even had an old Q9500 system with 2 kits from different brands working fine on auto too :D
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Thats good to know thanks. I have mixed two 32GB kits in one of my nodes and it seems to run fine with an OC'd i7 but was thinking server boards might be more picky.
I have since found a 64GB Kingston kit that would work out slightly cheaper and hopefully more reliable as its a kit. But its 4 x 16GB so I would only be using half the slots. Does that really matter if I have two free slots on each cpu? I dont think RAM speed effects rendering much? The only thing I can think of is loading the scene into the RAM but on a large still that is negligible.
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The Z9PE-D8 WS system I had with two 2660 C0 stepping ES xeons, worked fine with 4 kits of 2x8Gb ddr3 (KHX1600C10D3B1K2/16G)
The only trouble was setting the timings manually, as otherwise anything above 1333MHz would freak the ram out and show less amount. But once I set the correct timings, all 64Gb worked fine at full 1600MHz.
I have honestly never had trouble with mixing ram as long as it's the same model, and you don't AUTO everything. Though I even had an old Q9500 system with 2 kits from different brands working fine on auto too :D
Funny you say this because I had the exact issue with 1600Mhz but I didn't tried playing with timings manually : / But I did performance comparisons and there was no difference so I just left it as it was...
Regarding mixing, it does work most of the time as long as they are set to same clock/timing (of the slower version), but I still wouldn't suggest it...
Regarding free slots, it does not matter how many you fill, as long you fill same amount of slots for each CPU, in correct slots (A1/B1,etc...) as specified in manual. Even dual-channel/quad-channel does very little for performance.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-CPU-E5-2670-SR0KX-2-60GHz-Eight-Core-LGA2011-20MB-Processor-QTY-100-/281816232417?hash=item419d8e71e1:g:TeQAAOSwKIpWDv3N
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EgUAAOSw4HVWDv3K/s-l1600.jpg)
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holy smokes there are tonnes of these things! If it all works out somebody could set up a render farm so cheaply. I'm hoping to bring it all in for £800 for the hardware. Probably about 35% of the cost of a new PC with the same CB scores.
I'll go for the 4x16GB kit then.
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I think there are less motherboards available than those chips :- ).
But what happened to those ? Are those being re-sold as barebone units ?
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Hi guys
If you want some more insight on how a 2x E5-2670 render node build could look like and how it performs, I've posted my build over at cgarchitect:
http://forums.cgarchitect.com/80150-cheap-16core-xeon-node-pros-cons.html thread is running 5pages long atm, but I'm really happy with it. Images, performance, temps and thoughts regarding the build is all there.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer - I'm no Juraj on tech stuff though!
All inspiration came from http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
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http://www.amazon.com/Z620-Workstation-Processors-Professional-Installed/dp/B01E1SHJHI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1464215094&sr=8-3&keywords=hp+z620+e5-2670
I just ordered one of these. I have a bunch of extra ram and a quadro card to chuck in it when it arrives. I live in New Zealand and after a lot of research this is the cheapest option for me. I also looked at dual socket motherboards with the c602 architecture and geez they're expensive,
I guess I missed the boat when the E5-2670's started flooding the market and all the boards got snapped up. The ram is cheap too as it's ddr3 ecc which is no good for most computers :)
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Hi guys
If you want some more insight on how a 2x E5-2670 render node build could look like and how it performs, I've posted my build over at cgarchitect:
http://forums.cgarchitect.com/80150-cheap-16core-xeon-node-pros-cons.html thread is running 5pages long atm, but I'm really happy with it. Images, performance, temps and thoughts regarding the build is all there.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer - I'm no Juraj on tech stuff though!
All inspiration came from http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
Thats what i need.Thank you sir.
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Love all the surprised posts on that thread in spirit of "Will it really work...but what's the catch ?" :- )
Also 75Celsius is not a lot...these pedenatic people. Nonetheless, I too have under 55 because of good workflow and cooling for my 2680v2 (Fractal XL and 2xNoctua U12S does wonders even in horizontal push which I prefer for silence),
but it absolutely is not needed.
That full HP refurbished is OK deal too :- ) I mean it's hard to find 2x those CPU plus board for much too much less anyway and you already get some memory, PSU and case as well. Just don't forget to swap the fans (not heatsinks ! just fans for Noctua), to keep it quite, HP uses incredibly cheap shit, and they're also been used for long time, their bearing mostly gone south.
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Speaking of fans - anyone tried/compared Fractal Venturi fans?
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Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer - I'm no Juraj on tech stuff though!
Hey Jens what OS did u use on this system?
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Thanks for the link Jens great to see your system up and running. I'm am far from an expert but I would say those temps are totally fine in my experience. Some people get obsessed by these things and the 'acceptable limit' gets less and less! I've only had one PC throttle and that was at 90 and a bought overclocked PC where they put in the wrong cooler!
I have just ordered the same mobo as you so great to see it successfully working well. I was scratching my head over coolers though so thanks for showing me you could squeeze those Noctuas in but crikey they are tight!
Which ram did you opt for in the end? You mentioned the kingston and the samsung? There is some cheap samsung RAM floating about on ebay I've noticed but its not on the Asus supported list, when other samsung models are.
Cheers
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Also 75Celsius is not a lot...these pedenatic people.
Yeah well put Juraj :) my thoughts was that temps were fine too, but got spooked by all the post.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer - I'm no Juraj on tech stuff though!
Hey Jens what OS did u use on this system?
Win 10 Pro, just make sure to use the same user name as on your workstation on nodes (or credentials/access could be messy).
Thanks for the link Jens great to see your system up and running. I'm am far from an expert but I would say those temps are totally fine in my experience. Some people get obsessed by these things and the 'acceptable limit' gets less and less! I've only had one PC throttle and that was at 90 and a bought overclocked PC where they put in the wrong cooler!
I have just ordered the same mobo as you so great to see it successfully working well. I was scratching my head over coolers though so thanks for showing me you could squeeze those Noctuas in but crikey they are tight!
Which ram did you opt for in the end? You mentioned the kingston and the samsung? There is some cheap samsung RAM floating about on ebay I've noticed but its not on the Asus supported list, when other samsung models are.
Cheers
No problem Rhodesy, glad you found it usefull.
Yeah, they are pretty thight, I have to dismount one to flip the fans. But it works :)
I went with the Kingston. Couldn't find cheap ones from the Asus supported list, but the reseller assured me these would work. It was 8x this model: Memory D3 1600 8GB Kingston ECC R 1,5V (KVR16R11D8/8HB).
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Thanks Jens. Shame they couldn't have squeezed another couple of MM between sockets. I was looking at some cheaper coolers as they looked like an easier fit but the nocs are no doubt better at cooling.
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What do you guys think of e5-2697v4 cpus available on ebay for a dual cpu workstation?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2697-V4-ES-QH26-2-2Ghz-45MB-L3-18-Core-Max-Turbo-2-6Ghz-145W-CPU-/401121186550?hash=item5d64af92f6:g:n94AAOSwr0ZXN-wV
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Hi Nick. There are several things to consider. the single core performance and multicore performance. single core performance is essential for the Viewport and modelling performance. and multicore is as u already know rendering. System with better single core performance CPU will handle more complex scene with good FPS. i7 5820K will be faster in viewport with alot of polygon (millions) than xeon e5 2670 v3. I have dual xeon e5 2683 v3 and cinebench R15 score of 3085. but single core performance is only 100!. i7 are better in single core performance i.e my old i7 2600 pc is faster fps in viewport than my new dual 2683 v3. but in rendering the dual xeons are beast :). Oh i mean viewport in 3DS MAX. i don't known about other software like c4d or maya.
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As long as you find a Xeon which has good single-core turbo, which almost ALL now have. With the C0 ES being exception. If you watch their specs, compared to "real" deal, they mostly have much lower turbo. I.e, 2.6 Ghz vs 3.5 Ghz single core. For all-core turbo, the difference is lower, mostly between 200-300 Mhz.
I only want to know what happens in customs ? Do these Xeons looks suspicicously when imported into Europe ? And what do you actually get charged as Import tax ? :- D A percentage of the "real" price or the one you paid ? Or can the seller specify little cost.
Not sure if I want to try US or HongKong.
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depends on your custom laws. ;) Here the import tax would be the equivalent to VAT( as long as you don't order hundreds of cpus) But: I read somewhere in the ebay rules that the seller must include customs already in his prize. Nevertheless I am prepared to pick up my Xeons from the customs duty and pay for the duty when they arrive. I ordered them from China and I don't know how familiar the retailer is with the ebay custom rules. :)
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You're right, the american sellers I saw do indicate customs (often correctly 15-20perc. of the price), so if no one will study them too up-close here... (I mean, some of the earliest steppings do have "Property of Intel" branded on them instead of name...).
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Hi guys
If you want some more insight on how a 2x E5-2670 render node build could look like and how it performs, I've posted my build over at cgarchitect:
http://forums.cgarchitect.com/80150-cheap-16core-xeon-node-pros-cons.html thread is running 5pages long atm, but I'm really happy with it. Images, performance, temps and thoughts regarding the build is all there.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll try my best to answer - I'm no Juraj on tech stuff though!
Found your thread on CGArchitect some time ago, but missed one very important aspect, what's the price of the whole node when completed? As I'm currently in a crossroad of building it on my own or just grabbing a refurbished HP z620 with the same specs.
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Got them :- )
So neat.
My build is (not too cheap but I already have tons of this HW lying around....):
Fractal Xl Arc (Couldn't find Define XL R2 at good price or even at all in black around, duh), so let's try something new after 4 years and 6 of these cases :- D
Asus Z9PE-D8 WS
32GB non-ECC (hence why the Z9PE) 1600Mhz I think it's Kingston, don't remember, it's currently in unused node.
250GB Samsung Evo (don't remember which one, same as above, somewhere in my storage...)
EVGA 750 GQ Power Supply
Some 20 euro trash GPU, got full stack of these :- D
Really giddy, don't know what to expect. Should be fun.
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I have question?
I want to build 2xe5-2670 v1 c2 workstation. I ordered 2 used facebook xeons from http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-20M-Cache-2-60-GHz-8-00-GT-s-IntelQPI/32639214264.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-20M-Cache-2-60-GHz-8-00-GT-s-IntelQPI/32639214264.html) 115€ with discount.
I ordered 64GB ECC from http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina-8GB-2Rx4-PC3-PC3-10600R-DDR3-1333MHz-ECC-REG-Registed-server-memory-NO-PC-by/32413365648.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.48.y7rrYU (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina-8GB-2Rx4-PC3-PC3-10600R-DDR3-1333MHz-ECC-REG-Registed-server-memory-NO-PC-by/32413365648.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.48.y7rrYU) for 100€.
I found new motherboard with 2 years garanty http://www.list.rs/proizvod/maticne-ploce/maticna-ploca-intel-s2600coeioc-plo01963/?category=26 (http://www.list.rs/proizvod/maticne-ploce/maticna-ploca-intel-s2600coeioc-plo01963/?category=26) for 220€.
I have 2 kinston ssd, a 6x 1TB hards, Chieftec 750w which I will use with 2 molex to 8 pin adapter.
Is this worth to build or not(more than 400€!!!!)?
One my friend will give me money I spend if I decided not to build for components.
Would two cm 212 be enough?
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I have question?
I want to build 2xe5-2670 v1 c2 workstation. I ordered 2 used facebook xeons from http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-20M-Cache-2-60-GHz-8-00-GT-s-IntelQPI/32639214264.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2670-20M-Cache-2-60-GHz-8-00-GT-s-IntelQPI/32639214264.html) 115€ with discount.
I ordered 64GB ECC from http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina-8GB-2Rx4-PC3-PC3-10600R-DDR3-1333MHz-ECC-REG-Registed-server-memory-NO-PC-by/32413365648.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.48.y7rrYU (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Origina-8GB-2Rx4-PC3-PC3-10600R-DDR3-1333MHz-ECC-REG-Registed-server-memory-NO-PC-by/32413365648.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.48.y7rrYU) for 100€.
I found new motherboard with 2 years garanty http://www.list.rs/proizvod/maticne-ploce/maticna-ploca-intel-s2600coeioc-plo01963/?category=26 (http://www.list.rs/proizvod/maticne-ploce/maticna-ploca-intel-s2600coeioc-plo01963/?category=26) for 220€.
I have 2 kinston ssd, a 6x 1TB hards, Chieftec 750w which I will use with 2 molex to 8 pin adapter.
Is this worth to build or not(more than 400€!!!!)?
One my friend will give me money I spend if I decided not to build for components.
Would two cm 212 be enough?
The answer is yes and please write me :- ) https://www.facebook.com/juraj.talcik (this is my personal account)
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Oh, btw.
(it's windows 10, dunno why it writes like that....)
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Oh, btw.
Reported for posting pornography.
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Great machine Juraj_Talcik! I want build something like this but I'll get memory next week and I still dont have case. I visited a few shops today and I only find something like this http://www.thermaltake.com/Chassis/Mid_Tower_/Suppressor/C_00002676/F51_No_Window/design.htm (http://www.thermaltake.com/Chassis/Mid_Tower_/Suppressor/C_00002676/F51_No_Window/design.htm). Also don't know what graphic to get. I have one amd hd6870 just for test but I want to find cheap nvidia 980 for this comp because I want this to be fine gaming rig(ok I know that this isnt good like i7 4790 but it is cheaper) .
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Honestly there are not that many cheap (aftermarket) Full/Mid towers that take E-ATX on market. Let's select 60-140 euro range. The cheaper for pure nodes, the mid for silent nodes, the upper range make best for workstations since they combine best airflow (if you also put GPUs) while maintaining good acoustics for something that will be under your table.
Big/Full towers:
Fractal Define XL R2 - 130-140 euro The single most high-end of this bunch. But unnecessary for this node and price level.
Fractal Arc XL - 100 euro (mine above) Worse acoustics than Define, but better cooling support (large radiators possible to mount above for vertical push/pull). Much cheaper and imho looks really good as well.
NZXT H630 - 120-140 euro - Very similar to Define XL R2 in terms of acoustics, with water cooling support like Arc series instead. But worse technical quality, looks cheaper than any Fractal.
NZXT Phantom 530 - Uff...for ultra hardcore space nerds with impaired aesthetical taste.
Zalman H1- +/- 140 euro supports best air cooling if you plan on having 2 gpus and 8 HDDs, which no one here does. Not as ugly as NZXT creations but still weird...
(I did not put Corsair 750D, Silverstone Temjin/Raven, because they already top 160+ euro and are truly unnecessary for any builds not featuring massive custom water loop)
Mid towers that support E-ATX:
Chieftec CF SH-03B - 75 euro. Looks ridiculously trashy... Stay away.
Fractal Core 330 - 60 euro. Cheap, poor acoustics, but doesn't look like trash (inside/outside is OK)
Fractal Core 350 - 85 euro. Better
Thermaltake Suppressor C you link (copy of Define but worse) - +/- 130 euro, Fractal copy, but worse.
Corsair Carbide 400 Q/C - 85 Euro. Look good, good acoustics.
Corsair Carbide 330R - 95 euro . Like above, but better acoustics and cooling.
Corsair 450D Obsidian series - +/- 110-120 euro. Golden evergreen, really good case for those who like Corsair more than Fractal :- ) Good support for water cooling, but worse acoustics.
NZXT Source 330 - 100 +/- euro I don't know anything about this one.
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I wanted to say that this cheap dual 2670 computer was cheaper (new mobo+cpu+ram) then second hand 4790+mobo+ram for me. I know that i7 4790 is much better but I could not find 4790+mobo+ram under 540€ here. So I have to pay extra for case (new atx case is 10€ here but eatx....). Thermaltake is 140€ in shop I visited.
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I payed 100€ less than 4790 and now I have to pay 140€ for case.... :(
Can you give me advice about next parts :
http://www.jakovsistem.com/kontroleri/lycom-ub-120ti-pcie-x1-4-x-usb-3-0-host-adapter (http://www.jakovsistem.com/kontroleri/lycom-ub-120ti-pcie-x1-4-x-usb-3-0-host-adapter) about 29€
http://gigatronshop.com/zvucne_kartice/asus_xonar_dgx-31411 (http://gigatronshop.com/zvucne_kartice/asus_xonar_dgx-31411) 44€
You probably understand why I ask. So you see now that it seems that I didn't buy so cheap but new board (no audio no usb 3.0).
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I payed 100€ less than 4790 and now I have to pay 140€ for case.... :(
Fractal Core 330 - 60 euro Fits E-ATX
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There have been no Fractal and LianLi distributors and product here for last 3 years here, why I don't know. Shipping for case from abroad is too high, so I have to deal with brands I could find in my country. I spent last few hours visiting computer stores looking for eatx, 7 stores a ton of ugly cases for kids but no eatx...... Weather here is so bad, hot and moistened ....huh...
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There have been no Fractal and LianLi distributors and product here for last 3 years here, why I don't know. Shipping for case from abroad is too high, so I have to deal with brands I could find in my country. I spent last few hours visiting computer stores looking for eatx, 7 stores a ton of ugly cases for kids but no eatx...... Weather here is so bad, hot and moistened ....huh...
Look online at builds using the same motherboard. The Z9PE-D8 WS actually fits a Fractal Define R4 just barely. So there should be other cases that will house it just fine.
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My flowers
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Still no case. I was in server room of my firm to find case from unused old servers. There are so many different cases, HP, Dell, Proliant, old Riscs..... but all cases are specific, with no back plate, holes are made in cases........
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I ordered new http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-xl-r2-black-pearl (http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-xl-r2-black-pearl) for 126€. I hope that motherboard will fit, if not.......
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Yes it will, this is e-atx capable big tower.
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No Fractal case, they will sell me http://www.phanteks.com/enthoo-pro.html (http://www.phanteks.com/enthoo-pro.html) for same price, so I think that I will have all components for maximum 7 days. I also ordered http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PCI-E-Express-USB-3-0-2-Port-HUB-Card-Adapter-20-pin-Connector-15-pin/32274540724.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PCI-E-Express-USB-3-0-2-Port-HUB-Card-Adapter-20-pin-Connector-15-pin/32274540724.html).
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My $800USD HP Z620 arrived today. Looks really tidy - just a couple of scuff marks on the case. Anyway attached is my cinebench score.
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Man thats a good value system. Opened my eyes to that and other similar Dell ones on amazon. Im still awaiting for all the bits for my home build version but could well be tempted to grab a pre built one for not much more. But I guess they all the parts could have been running 24/7 for four years so who knows how that impacts the lifespan. But exciting times if you dont mind ending up with a motley crew of miss matched cases!
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Ordered 64GB DDR3 1333 ECC (8x8), 2x Xeon E5-2670 C2 stepping, Corsair case, SSD+HDD, 850W Antec PSU and some cheap GTX 970 today :) - Everything should be at my place next week.
I am "only" missing the motherboard now - they are totally sold out like everywhere. Giving that I've got ECC ram, I guess I will go for Asus Z9PA-D8/D8C motherboard... if I could only find one available (not counting those for like 600 euros).
Anyone got a hint about that? I can take some other as well, as long as its under 300 euros :/
Give me some EU links please :)))
Thank you in advance
EDIT: Just ordered Z9PA-D8 from Computeruniverse. They currently don't have it and it is coming in two weeks, but for a price of 250 euros I guess I can wait :)
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Tomislavn where do you live? I ask you because if you are in neighborhood I can give you a few links for new Asus z9pa-d8 ws for about 480-520€. There are few left in computer stores in my country. There are also a few new Intel MB like I bought but they rise up price to 350€. And if you have someone in Belgrade, you can ask him to see in computer stores, maybe there is a left new MB for 220€ like I bought.
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I just saw your edit. Great deal!
Can you please give me link for gtx 970?
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I am still waiting for memory, processors and usb 3.0 card. All of that is at custom service since 12.6.2016. HUH!
Till now I have:
1. MB Intel S2600COEIOC
2. Case Phanteks Enthoo Pro Window
3. 2xfans LC Power LC-CC-120
4. PSU Chieftec CFT-750-14CS modular (I customized cables and as this PSU has 4 cables for GPU I modified one cable to 8pin cpu. PSU has 4x12v 18A rails so it will be like this V1-MB v2-cpu2 v3-cpu2 v4-gpu hdd)
5. Kingston 240GB ssd
6. 2x 1TB HDD
7. LG BH10LS30 Blu Ray Writer
8. Additional case fans 2x14cm
I am still thinking about GPU. What shell I buy?
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I'm building two of these machines, one as a workstation and one as a node...
srmarkovic, can you please give me some pointers on how to modify that psu, that you just mentioned? is there a converter i could use instead? thanks
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Well there is 4 pin to 8 pin cable. I had one but I didn't want to use this. My cables were too short for case I got and I wanted to use 4 pin for motherboard. I add 35cm to existing 8pin cable, add 40cm and change connector on 6pin GPU cable. I used 4x1mm yellow, 4x1mm black and 2,4mm and 16mm heat shrink tubing. I solder wires and put tubing. It looks good and I tested cables and PSU on working PC. There is one more reason, I wanted CPUs on different rails of PSU. PSU has 4 x 12V(18A) rails so I wanted to distribute current, I don't want rail with 4 and 8 pins to be on bout processors and two rails without load.
But I still waiting for processors. Processors and ram are in custom post office for a whole week!!!!!
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I read user manual for S2600COEIOC board I bought and 4 pin cable is additional supply for on-board PCIe slots. I want to use RAID Module RMS25KB080 and it seems that it needs power. On Chieftec ctf-750-14cs I have, rails 1 and 2 are used for main 24 pin. Rail 1 is used for hdds also. Rail 2 is connected to 4pin and 8pin cpu cable. There are 4 additional 12v cable sockets on rail 3 and 4 intended to max 4 GPUs. As I will use one GPU I will use rail 3 for 8pin second cpu cable and rail 4 for GPU.
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Tomislavn where do you live? I ask you because if you are in neighborhood I can give you a few links for new Asus z9pa-d8 ws for about 480-520€. There are few left in computer stores in my country. There are also a few new Intel MB like I bought but they rise up price to 350€. And if you have someone in Belgrade, you can ask him to see in computer stores, maybe there is a left new MB for 220€ like I bought.
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I just saw your edit. Great deal!
Can you please give me link for gtx 970?
Hey srmarkovic, thank you for your effort :) - I am from Croatia and we had absolutely 0 of those available in stores. I have checked computeruniverse (Germany) and those WS boards (Z9PE-D8 WS) are like 440 euros there. Ordered Z9PA-D8 in the end since I already had insanely good price for 64GB registered ECC DDR3 ram (like 70 euros for 8x8GB). I think Asus is a bit better choice since it has USB 3.0 already and quite good memory support. Gonna need to buy a sound card extra though :D (probably Asus Xonar).
I bought Asus STRIX GTX970 from a random guy that was selling his SLI cards on some local computer forum (200 eur each). Hopefully my processors and motherboard are here next week :).
Oh and by the way, about CPU coolers on Asus Z9PA-D8 - Does anyone know if it is narrow or standard layout for the socket? I guess it is narrow since its ATX - so I was wondering if my 2x Coolermaster Hyper 412s will be able to fit. They got adjustable crossed bottom hinges but I never tried using them on a narrow layout. Buttom looks the same as that Noctua-s 2011 cooler that Juraj mentioned, but still not sure about it :/
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I found one store here with a few new S2600COEIOC boards for 220€ and GA-X79-UD3 for 80€. But I have one.
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I found one store here with a few new S2600COEIOC boards for 220€ and GA-X79-UD3 for 80€. But I have one.
I'd love to buy a X79 board, but can't find any good deals locally or on ebay :|
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220,-€ seems like a very good price for S2600COEIOC. Is this a webstore or a local store?
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http://dodatnaoprema.com/s2600coeioc/116689 (http://dodatnaoprema.com/s2600coeioc/116689)
It is serbian webstore.
1€=124din
But only 2 years warranty for Intel MB and there is SAS/SATA raid in box but!!!! there is no breakout cable ..... huh... I can't use it.
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what a shame it is serbian only. But still a very good price. Thank you.
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Hi Srdan, I wrote you on FB, please check you message :- )
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1 ASUS Z9PA-D8/iKVM
Ihre Online-Bestellung vom 18.06.2016
Info Wareneingang bei uns voraussichtlich erwartet am 05.07.2016
(Aktuelle unverbindliche Angabe unseres Lieferanten)
238,57 €
Got mine from CU for 238 euros (company order without VAT + delivery 15 euros), but it is arriving to the warehouse in 10 days... will be around 3 weeks of wait time in total.
Is that Intel motherboard better then Z9PA?
Btw, any info about narrow ILM coolers that you guys can share? Are there any cheaper consumer grade coolers that support it (apart from Noctua that is 60 euros each)?
EDIT: Actually, looking at the high-res image of Asus Z9PA-D8, it looks like it is not narrow ILM, rather standard square?! I've read Juraj's blog and was under an assumption it was using narrow ILM... Guess I will be fine with Coolermaster 412S x2 in that case, just wondering how should I mount them considering that the sockets are that close to each other :/
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You're right, they look like regular mountings. I've added this narrow part to this board based on feedback from one guy (who was way too over-active to pinpoint every situation to cater on planet...), but didn't check further. God do I hate these theoretical keyboard warriors : / I'll correct it.
Many boards do feature narrow ILM if they want to avoid using extended form factors, but it's just not this one...
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No problem at all :) Thanks for writing it - It made me realize quite some things, for instance that I need an additional sound card since I was absolutely not paying attention to ports on Z9PA-D8 before reading about it :)
Do you recommend any? Asus Xonar?
Any idea how should I mount the coolers since the sockets are so close to each other? Should I do it like "<O I O>" or like "O> I O>"? Not sure that the latter will fit or have good airflow..
(< and > being the sides where I should mount the actual cooler fans, "I" being the small space in between the coolers and "O" being the actual cooler bodies)
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I think both would have just fine airflow, but yes, the latter, push/push would have slightly better, but if that won't fit due to heatsink, I would not worry.
I don't know anything about sound cards, last time I owned one (Audigy Pro 2 or something like that :- ) .. ) was 14? years ago I think.
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Heh alright :) thank you. Yeah, I guess both should work, but I am like 99% sure that the latter one won't fit - we will see when the components arrive.
Yeah.. same. Been using integrated sound cards since like forever. Last one I used was a Sound Blaster in a 386 or 486 :) Can't even remember. Will try to go with Asus XONAR for 36 euros and see how it works out (PCIEX x1).
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I'm waiting for 64GB ecc ddr3 and usb3.0. I still don't know what GPU to use.
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I've just built my z9pa-8d system this afternoon. Literally just installed Windows and checked everything was posting correctly. Installed cinebench and got 2003 which seems par for the course. Temps looked ok but not stressed it yet. Build went well, got some 1600 64gb ecc ram for £100 off eBay from China which I was nervous about but it posts at least. Coolers are i30's and I have them pushing into each other with front and rear case fans sucking air in and then 2 120mm fans out of the top. Case is fractal define s and psu is the evga 650w that Jens used earlier in this thread. All in all so far I'm really pleased with this setup if it proves to be robust but so far so good. The case is great and it's so sparse with no gpu required, bags of room for air flow. Thanks for everyone's input and advice on this thread and to Juraj for his blog post.
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Here is a rubbish pic of it. All the HDs are around the back. I just have a 240gb ssd that I had from another PC.
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Define-S is so good. If I didn't already own so many XL-s when S didn't exist, I would switch :- )
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Looking really good Rhodesy :)
I can't wait for all my components to arrive! Got everything apart from processors and mainboard (they should be here in around 10 days). Ram arrived yesterday from UK, 64GB DDR3 (8x8GB sticks) but it is 1333 Mhz ECC registered from HP (brand new, packed in original boxes) - wondering if that will work good in Asus Z9PA-D8 :S
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Thanks. I'm sure they will be fine Tom.
Yes the define S case and full modular psu is so good. It doesn't look there there are enough parts in there for it to work! I would defo recommend this set up if your just wanting a node but I think the atx mobo has limitations for a full workstation. Like no sound, no usb3 header for front ports. But it has vga so no gpu required.
One thing I should mention about the S case is I can't see a way to add a DVD drive in the front. I have a portable one I use for node installation and on my laptop.
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Everything arrived :) Just assembled it all - working perfectly!
Added ASUS Xonar DSX in the mix for audio and other then that I had some minor issues with fitting everything in the Corsair 300R :P Had to shuffle some fans around, etc.
Sockets on Z9PA-D8 were quite close so I had to switch the fan to the other side and reverse its direction. Also I have added a fan on top to pull the heat out from between sockets, since I was left without space in the rear where the fan goes (damn huge coolers).
All in all, I am really satisfied how it all came out :)
Oh and Cinebench R15 = 2003 with stock settings. Corona 1.3 benchmark = 1.33min
Great stuff :))
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Congrats :- ) Hope it works well.
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Congrats :- ) Hope it works well.
Thank you Juraj :) - I hope it will serve me well.
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What gpus are you guys using on the Z9PA-D8?
Wondering if it works with 9xx and 10xx series or new amd cards for workstation purpose.
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What gpus are you guys using on the Z9PA-D8?
Wondering if it works with 9xx and 10xx series or new amd cards for workstation purpose.
Working perfectly with Asus GTX970 STRIX here :) ...my guess would be that it works with 10xx series also.
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Hi everyone
I want to share with you our new workstation config at work
Fractal Design Define XL R2 Black Pearl
Asus Z10PE-D16 WS *
xeon E5-2690 v4 @2.6GHZ 14c (x2)
Samsung 64 GBB DDR4
Samsung SSD 950 pro 512 M.2
Asus Turbo GTX 970 4GB
Corsair H100i v2
Corsair H80i v2
Corsair rm 1000 i
* i choose this mother for 2 things. First the z10 version can support the v3 and v4 intel chip. The Z9 cant.
and second the d16 instead the d8 not for the 16 dim memory support but just because of the 2 radiators placement on left and right of the mother board who let us plug water cooling radiator on top of the case.
with this config i have a result of 00:49 on the corona benchmark
and 4331 on cinebech R15
This congif is not too expensive ~ 5000 - 6000 €
we found the best price for the ddr4 and the xeon at servertronic.de
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Nice config :) but 5000-6000 euros is quite a lot for some of us, who are freelancers. If I would need that kind of power (double then my setup!) I would probably go for used ones on ebay. Like 450-500 euros each :)
Practically, with second hand Broadwell E5-2690 V4 and the motherboard you mentioned + other stuff, you could pass with like 2000 euros in total.
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ES/QS/OEM are not 'just' second hand :- ) I am not sure we can publicly suggest people to buy them, there is a risk in using them (and I don't mean the legal part...), and they are not identical in many more things than people assume.
Those you mention, I have few of them, most have locked all-core turbo bins and make worse Workstation chips. They are excellent render node value/performance....that's obvious though ;- ) Yup, machine with those goes for around 2300 +/- euros in total (2500 if you want 64gb ram).
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ES/QS/OEM are not 'just' second hand :- ) I am not sure we can publicly suggest people to buy them, there is a risk in using them (and I don't mean the legal part...), and they are not identical in many more things than people assume.
Those you mention, I have few of them, most have locked all-core turbo bins and make worse Workstation chips. They are excellent render node value/performance....that's obvious though ;- ) Yup, machine with those goes for around 2300 +/- euros in total (2500 if you want 64gb ram).
True :) you are definitely right. Many ES cpu-s don't even run with the same base/turbo clock (usually less then retail). But then again, its almost 3 times the cost aaaaaaaand eventually some legal problems (might or might not happen) :P
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I almost would suggest them only because Intel is shit company and they deserve all that befalls on them. Intel + nVidia should marry together...
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I almost would suggest them only because Intel is shit company and they deserve all that befalls on them. Intel + nVidia should marry together...
Lol :)))
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I will be getting 2x E5-2697 v2 for testing today :P retail samples! 2.7Ghz stock, up to 3.5Ghz turbo. 12c/24t each :)
Wondering how they compare to my 2670's :)) Will report back!
EDIT: Quick Cinebench R15 showing 2929cb for now. Corona 1.3 benchmark 1:11, also quite ok!
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Nice, the 2680v2 for which I paid billions 2 years ago, have 2700 points only :- ).
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Nice, the 2680v2 for which I paid billions 2 years ago, have 2700 points only :- ).
Heh :) yeah! Server technology is losing on value so fast.. I will get these two for under 600 euros probably :) and save 2670's for another node when I get my hands on some cheaper board :P. Negotiating atm!
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I got 8x8GB Hynix RAM. RAM costed me 95€ but it is beautiful, original package with heatsinks. Think that I will order 64GB more of the same kind. I started PC without additional GPU and sound. I updated bios, firmware, FRU, SDU and all of that. Now I have very quiet fans. I tested memory. I stress tested CPUs with prime95 and Aida but the higher CPU temperature was 62 degree Celsius after an hour. CPU-z benchmark is 19786 (12156 for i7-5960x). Cinebench score is 2004. I will put more pics soon. I will make yt video about all components and system with benchmarks but I will do it when I put GPU. I am thinking to wait gtx 1060 which will be released for a few weeks.
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@Juraj - You seem to render a lot of highrez images monthly - can You estimate roughly combined CB15 score of all your machines :) ?
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2004 and 2000 points second time
767 desktop I use and
542 my laptop
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@Juraj - You seem to render a lot of highrez images monthly - can You estimate roughly combined CB15 score of all your machines :) ?
+/- 12 000
1x (2x2698v4)
2x (2x2680v2)
2x (i7 4930k)
It's not enough :- ) It's not enough for animations at all (in Corona), and I have have some stills that take hours...on this whole setup. But in those I wonder if I am doing something wrong in 3ds Max or Corona, because I can't explain how it can be suddenly so noisy. Like I need 2000 passes (Default 16/2 settings!). I will post those in I need help section because I just dunno. If it's the low-gloss mats everywhere + GI or what..... ceilings are always super noisy.
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Thanks for the info!
Terribly sorry for the offtop, but You are invaluable source of info here :)
Is the build 2x2698v4 your primary workstation ? If yes have you built it on regular market chips or ES ones, and what are your thoughts about it ? Worth the cost ? Does it do well on parsing stuff like displacement and Forest Pack ? Do the scenes remain sesponsive while working with IR (heavier scenes of course, not 20kk polys :)) ?
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No, it's not my workstation, it's clocked too low (the ES have pretty much just all-core turbo). I use the 2680v2 which are retail chips and even their all-core is 3.1 but single core I think I reach 3.5.
For workstation I would buy the QS or OEM models, not as cheap as ES...but still nowhere close to retail ;- ) I would perhaps opt for the highest possible single-core turbo, because the next Pascal cards ( Titan-P ) are rumoured to be bottlenecked by CPU.
I don't know if it's true, and if it is, it's quite idiotic nVidia can't utilize multithreading on CPU properly ( because they are going to sell the same card under Quadro brand to lower-clocked Xeon users, so what gives... ? )
But worth the cost ? Well it's 4 times more powerful than similar i7 build. But what I wrote here you didn't get from me, I am of course not supporting grey/black market and all filthy thieves should be punished.
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Thank you Juraj.
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Still with plastic protection.
(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/IMG_2930.thumb.JPG.992898c7274d9c44eecf87ecb2befcd6.JPG)
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Blu ray writer drive is ugly but I back up videos on BR and I need it.
(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/IMG_2932.thumb.JPG.5c9c3c9c07024de6ad85e4fde6755a45.JPG)
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What color to use for hearth-bit effect?
(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/IMG_2936.thumb.JPG.209145f07d41208d6ade5a9acec75150.JPG)
(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/IMG_2934.thumb.JPG.b82be6b1a3158177b7cdc80f61de48af.JPG)
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My i7 connected to 42" TV could be seen beside.
I'll make better pictures during a day and without protective plastic, I dont want to scratch window because I still have a few things to do on this PC.
Components for RGB controller and RGB strips cost me about 4€ and I can make any color and effect (I put white strobe effect during post) I imagine. I don't know what to do with internal serial port because I don't have bracket for COM port and that's why I made this RGB controller - to connect internal serial to something.
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Anyway this computer will be one of more than 60 devices in my local network.
(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/MyNetwork1.jpg.1370771bade5e4a18f06730fa0b29832.jpg)
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(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_07/test.jpg.2ce718b55b5fbce87f7f2c9aec67e55d.jpg)
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cpuz and cinebench score
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cpuz and cinebench score
Great!!!!! Don't think that everyone has better machine in private own. Only big companies has better workhorses, my firm has but those are net and accounting servers. I don't think that there is a lot of workstation like your is.
But... I packed my dual Xeon in a box this morning. My old i7 is good enough for things I do. This new machine is really big and consume a lot of space. I have to make enough space for other project, some electronics, I am doing. I will continue story when I get gtx 1060 and I'll do the most important tests. The most important thing computers do and 99% usage scenario.... GAMES!!!! I'll do benchmark in games.
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Well I spent 620€ for build with no PSU, SSD, dvd included because I have a lot of this spare unused parts. For GPU I will use GTX 1060 which will be 300€ max, so I hope that this build will be 920€. I found whole new AMD PC with case psu, hdd, dvd, everything (no OS) for 120€ in local computer shop with 2 years warranty but I think that it is not so good as this dual Xeon, and maybe I do wright building this although it is almost 10 times more expensive and much bigger case.
I usually use PC for gaming, internet, doing software, sometimes for virtualization and test applications I made, doing electronics, programming microcontrollers, doing HD home videos. Rarely I use 3ds to do some rotating text or simple animation. I haven't been in 3d since 1995, till then I made a lot of commercials and animations in DOS Autodesk 3d application (does anyone tried it? Shaper, Loofter... and so). So no heavy duty work, but I think that having such machine is not bad.
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My $800USD HP Z620 arrived today. Looks really tidy - just a couple of scuff marks on the case. Anyway attached is my cinebench score.
hi , where can I find these deals ? you found it on ebay ?
thanks
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Bunch of those deals on ebay, albeit in europe they're bit more costly. I've bought one for 900 euro, but bear in mind that most of hardware like psu is custom HP made and finding a standard replacement is impossible as mobo has 18 pin power connector which is not standard. Also from my experience I find buying of these a bit risky as my HP Z620 is in service now after a month of heavy usage with some motherboard problems.
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Hi guys,
srmarkovic mentioned getting this setup work with the server board Intel S2600CP2J. Including shipping and import taxes its about 200 euros less than the Asus Z9PA-D8 when ordering from the States to Europe.
I know I'm kind of late in the game for the Xeons e5 2670 but I got them and now its difficult to find a cheap board. I'm not a tech wiz and wondered if the server board Intel S2600CP2J would create any problems to setup as a render node compared to the Z9PA-D8.
Thanks all! This forum has been very helpful. :)
https://ark.intel.com/products/66133/Intel-Server-Board-S2600CP2J
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Problem solved. I researched a bit more and got the intel board, memory, xeons and I'm off to the rest.
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Didn't want to chime in before but... I don't see a problem as long as the motherboard supports the V1 (or whatever version) family of CPUs.
From what I know what makes the more expensive boards better is the addons and expansion slots. Workstation motherboards (like the Asus Z10PED16) come with integrated sound, extra PCI-E slots and probably a ton of other "consumer" grade bonuses.
For a render node I wouldn't be bothered too much if my motherboard had 1 usb plug and 3 sata ports coupled with 2 pci-e slots. Then again, with GPU rendering on the rise I do think it is cool to invest a little more and at least get a motherboard with extra pci-e slots. If you have 80 lanes and ever want to go the GPU route... You'll be quite future proof :)
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If anyone is interested, I am now selling my 2x Xeons E5-2670, Asus Z9PA-D8 motherboard (under warranty for 2+ years, computeruniverse.de), 32GB DDR3 ECC (HP, 8x4GB), 2x CM Hyper 412S coolers (under warranty) and Asus Xonar DGX soundcard (under warranty for 2+ years). All together 650 euros (I pay for shipping). Only selling as a bundle.
I'm based in Croatia but it can arrive in around 2-3 days to any EU country I guess :)
Sold to a forum member from Italy :) - Thank you all who were interested.
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If anyone is interested, I am now selling my 2x Xeons E5-2670, Asus Z9PA-D8 motherboard (under warranty for 2+ years, computeruniverse.de), 32GB DDR3 ECC (HP, 8x4GB), 2x CM Hyper 412S coolers (under warranty) and Asus Xonar DGX soundcard (under warranty for 2+ years). All together 650 euros (I pay for shipping). Only selling as a bundle.
I'm based in Croatia but it can arrive in around 2-3 days to any EU country I guess :)
Where were you yesterday?
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Huh? :)
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Huh? :)
Nothin', just yesterday got shipped a motherboard for dual xeon with some other parts, would have bought the whole system from you, as it's a good price. Anyway to late for me.
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Huh? :)
Nothin', just yesterday got shipped a motherboard for dual xeon with some other parts, would have bought the whole system from you, as it's a good price. Anyway to late for me.
Ahh okay :) Thought I have missed something from you since I had 2 guys from the forum pm-ing me about the system already.
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Hey guys, anyone knows a decent case to fit the Asrock EP2C602-4L/D16? Looking for mid tower and was considering Corsair Obsidian 450D, but not sure if it will fit, albeit it supports E-ATX. Would just go with Define XL R2, but having another of these giants in my apartment would turn on my wife's raging monster mode, so in this case size does matter.
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Hey guys, anyone knows a decent case to fit the Asrock EP2C602-4L/D16? Looking for mid tower and was considering Corsair Obsidian 450D, but not sure if it will fit, albeit it supports E-ATX. Would just go with Define XL R2, but having another of these giants in my apartment would turn on my wife's raging monster mode, so in this case size does matter.
i have NZXT S340 (cheap, good looking case with window - overall 40euros, full ATX and its tiny looking case!), did fit in it. not all screws aligned on tray, though. not moving, stays put.
google for this case, as many people with this case managed to fit it with easy modification.