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2019-12-12, 15:24:54

Jochen

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Hi everybody,

Though I check this forum almost on a daily basis, this will be my first post here :)

I'm in the process of wrapping my head around a new workstation build, and I would like some advice on it. So I figured this would be the perfect place to ask..

As you can probably tell from the title, I'm contemplating a 3950X build. Unfortunately the 3th gen Threadrippers are a bit out of my budget, so I figured this would be the next best thing in line. Next to the CPU, I also decided this build will include a RTX 2080 ti. So basically CPU + GPU are more or less decided. The reason behind the 2080 ti is because I also love to dabble around in GPU rendering, but also because I'd like this new workstation to be a solid machine that can last me quite some years.

One of my main questions is regarding which motherboard to get? Since the new Ryzen chips support PCIe 4.0 technology, it seems to me that it would be smart to get a MB that supports this as well. Or won't this have that much of an impact? Preferably the MB should also be able to support a potential future second GPU (just to be safe for whichever road I decide to 'travel' in the future :)).

Also, would this CPU need water cooling? Just double-checking, because I think I read somewhere here on the forums that Juraj mentioned that air cooling - with a Noctua fan - would be sufficient?

As you can probably tell, I'm not that established in all of this DIY computer building stuff, but the last couple of weeks/months I did a lot of research. But I figured it wouldn't be a bad idea to ask around a bit more before final decisions.

Once the MB is decided, I think there will be a bit more questions following :D But at this point, this seems to be the most important.

Thanks in advance!

2019-12-12, 16:01:26
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Ryzen 3000 series are supported by both older X470 (and B450,etc..) and newer X570 chipsets. But this is mostly useful to people who already have a board and don't want to upgrade it, for new builders, the small price difference is well offset in favor of going with newer X570:

- PCI 4.0 is not useful at the moment, but it doesn't hurt to have it esp. since you mention you would like to get few years out of this build. The cost between comparable motherboards is under 100 euros, I find that surcharge to be worth it. For Threadripper TRX40, the same surcharge is three time as high.
- Air cooling is definitely capable just fine for 3950X, the "watercooling suggested" is pure marketing bait. It might be made to make sure people don't use low capacity air coolers, but something the size of Noctua NH-D15 or NH-U12a is not on par, but quite often better than most 240/280 or even 360mm AIO water coolers. Esp. in sizeable mid-tower cases with good airflow, there is no difference.

Most board differ on hardware level and feature set. The HW is mostly about power cascade/VRMs, how well it supports overclocking. Feature set is mostly about how much money you like throwing into trash bin :- ). Almost all ATX-sized board support dual-gpu setup. Very few support quad layout, if that's something you would consider in future.

There is 'Tier' list of quality for all available X570 boards, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview#gid=2112472504
You can compare everything here if you have enough time.

For my build, I personally went with Asus ROG Strix-E (the E being important, as the F & I version have inferior VRM for almost same price), because it's almost identical to much more expensive Asus ROG Crosshair while being significantly cheaper in Europe. In US they cost almost the same for some reason though. 250 +/- Euro budget is what I find reasonable for X570 board, above that you're paying mostly for unnecessary fancyness.

Now just quickly to memory and I am out. To get the most out of Ryzen 3000 workstation, you should opt for 32GB DIMMs for memory to give you option of 4x32=128GB either right away (I suggest doing so) or in future. No choice of actual memory on market though, just Corsair sets. In January, there might come more.
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2019-12-13, 11:07:32
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Thank you Juraj for your time to post this extensive and very informative reply! A little follow-up..

Air cooling is definitely capable just fine for 3950X, the "watercooling suggested" is pure marketing bait. It might be made to make sure people don't use low capacity air coolers, but something the size of Noctua NH-D15 or NH-U12a is not on par, but quite often better than most 240/280 or even 360mm AIO water coolers. Esp. in sizeable mid-tower cases with good airflow, there is no difference.

So cooling wise this (CLICK) Noctua NH-D15 should do the trick? The black version looks very nice, compared to original color scheme! :D

For my build, I personally went with Asus ROG Strix-E (the E being important, as the F & I version have inferior VRM for almost same price), because it's almost identical to much more expensive Asus ROG Crosshair while being significantly cheaper in Europe.

Just to be sure, you're talking about this one (CLICK), right? I watched some review videos, and it should do the trick for me it seems. Supports PCIe 4.0, and it's very affordable in my opinion. This definitely could be 'the one' for me as well!

Now just quickly to memory and I am out. To get the most out of Ryzen 3000 workstation, you should opt for 32GB DIMMs for memory to give you option of 4x32=128GB either right away (I suggest doing so) or in future.

Budget wise, for now, I'm planning to add 64gb of memory in this build, 6x16gb. Would this be a significant problem? 128gb Is the dream of course, but not for now I'm afraid.

Do you perhaps have suggestions regarding which brand/type of ram to get? I know of Corsair Vengeance LPX or Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, for example. Are there other suitable alternatives that would fit my build?

Also, I should look for 3.200Mhz, right?

As for the case.. I've set my eyes on the Fractal Design Define R6 (tempered glass edition). It seems to be a solid case with overall good reviews. Just to double-check: this should fit a potentially 2 GPU build, right?

Also, would it be a good idea to add extra exhaust fans?

One more thing and than I'm done for now.. What would be the preferred amount of watts for my PSU? I think 750 would be the minimum, but contemplating 1000 watts. Any insights here?

Thanks again!! Much appreciated :)
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2019-12-13, 18:35:08
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Here is my build I finished today. 3950X/Strix-E/4x32GB Corsair 3200 CL16 (untested yet for stable speed)/Noctua NH-D15/Fractal Define C/Seasonic Focus 1000W/4x120mm Noctua NF A12x25 PWM.

The only reason I have Seasonic Focus 1000W is because it was available right away in shop, I didn't have time to wait for any other.
For single GPU-setup, 760W is enough. 1K is nice for dual-GPU. But you can buy 1k directly from Seasonic and it will run passive without fan spinning. I like that.

Define R6/S1/S2 is very nice series of cases. They offer option for 140mm fans and plenty of drives. If you don't have many HDDs (or none) go with S1/S2 because they can do 3x140mm fans in front, R6 can only do two and third on bottom, S1/S2 solution is cleaner with better airflow. They are otherwise the same case. I went with Define C because I wanted something small and easily transferable.

Exhaust fan is very beneficial. Single in back is enough with single GPU, with dual-gpu you might open the moduvent top. Positive pressure (more intake fans than exhaust) is highly preferable to avoid dust and with Define cases, much better accoustics.
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2019-12-13, 19:24:19
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Whoa, that CPU cooler takes half of volume of the case! Thanks for the picture, now i'm thinking, maybe i should consider Define S. Do you know what is the difference between S and S2?
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2019-12-13, 19:42:30
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S is 4 years old, S2 being successor, from quick glance:

S1 was based on R5, S2 is based on R6. 
S2 only offers glass panel side, and has PSU shroud that you can't remove (just line in R6).
Probably lot of tiny improvements like USB C on top, and newer version of the Fractal fans (still not great, but not terrible either).

Probably not possible to buy S1 brand new anymore, as it was cleaner imho.

The whole series was always criticized because it's same as R6 but with much less features. But to me, the triple front fan is better than tons of HDD cages that I need to recycle anyway.
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2019-12-14, 11:44:09
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Thanks for the answer! I thought S2 has to offer some significant advantage, because it is much pricier than S1, at least in my local shop.
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2019-12-16, 05:24:22
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Hey does anyone know how I can get my hands on a 3950x? I live in the USA?

2019-12-16, 08:10:29
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Hey does anyone know how I can get my hands on a 3950x? I live in the USA?

 Check your local shops and you might be extremely lucky to find one. Other than that eBay is the only place you'll find them right now and they have a large mark up from the MSRP.

2019-12-16, 10:27:59
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Strange, in my local shop 3950x is in stock for more than a week now and it seems nobody wants it, even if the price is not crazy high.
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2019-12-16, 11:22:25
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Thanks for the picture. especially at that viewing angle. Always gives an insight into a build type and how parts fit in.

where is the ram?!! :)

That cooler is huge. You had mentioned the Noctua U12a earlier, which one would be appropriate from the one you used!. Doesnt the weight of such coolers effect the motherboard?.

The 3950x seems out of stock on amazon here or other venders until the end of december, but I don't mind waiting until january or until the 3990x is released, may it drop the 3960 prices down to that of 3950x! :)

Thanks.

2019-12-16, 12:08:50
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Juraj and others, thanks for the comments + advice!

I used the weekend to do some more research and final my quest for the parts for my workstation. Here's a breakdown:

- CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
- CPU cooler: Noctua NH-D15 (chromax black version)
- Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

* Is this a good choice of brand/type for my build?
** I'd like to add some subtle RGB stuff in my build, but I was wondering if these memory 'sticks' will be visible in this particular case/motherboard? If not, I'll go for a non-RGB solution.

- GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC
- Case: Fractal Design Define S2
- PSU: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W
- Case fans: 4 x Corsair ML140 Pro 97 CFM 140 mm Fan (black version)

* I think I'll follow Juraj's example/build, and add 3x intake fans in the front, and 1x exhaust fan in the back. Or should I opt for an extra bottom + top fans as well? Juraj mentioned that for a single GPU setup, the 3x + 1x combo should be sufficient. So just double-checking :)

- Storage: this is something I haven't really decided on/looked into. I'm planning to add either a 500 GB or 1 TB SSD to install Windows/apps on, and add either one extra 4 TB HD, or 2x 2 TB hard drives for projects and stuff. Since my girlfriend will be using this computer as well for some photo editing and other little projects, I would like to keep our stuff separated. So what would be the best solution? Both having a single drive, or format one bigger drive in 2?

Also, what would be some good recommendations regarding brand/types of SSD and HD's?

I think so far this is it again from my part.. As you can see there are just a few things left to decide, and than it's time to order! :)

Your input, again, will be much appreciated!

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2019-12-17, 00:41:04
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Strange, in my local shop 3950x is in stock for more than a week now and it seems nobody wants it, even if the price is not crazy high.

They haven't been in stock anywhere here since 5 minutes after release!

2019-12-17, 13:58:44
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Jochen,

two seperate drivers would be better.
you can remove her or yours drive in the future without having to migrate to a new build.

2019-12-20, 15:45:39
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What STHA wrote, you can't go wrong with two physical drives.
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2019-12-30, 10:11:52
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Here is my build I finished today. 3950X/Strix-E/4x32GB Corsair 3200 CL16

Quick question, Juraj: where did you find actual 32GB sticks?? Have searched quite a bit, but can't seem to find them anywhere.. However, I do seem to find 32GB sticks that are DDR4-3000, but not the 3200 version. Thanks!


2020-01-02, 15:56:31
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https://geizhals.de/?cat=ramddr3&xf=1454_32768~15903_DDR4~15903_keinSO~5015_3200
Thanks a lot! Found what I was looking for.

All parts and pieces are either already delivered, or on their way. I'm so excited!! :D
Will post photo of the finished build..

2020-01-06, 12:37:26
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Don't want to hijack the thread but also didn't want to post a new one just to show off my build
I finally got my 3950x during the Christmas break and spend a good chunk of time getting it setup.
I'm sort of disappointed that it doesn't run at the 4.7Ghz listed, not even on a single core. I saw it turbo up to 4.4Ghz once, that's about it.
So far it runs at 4.1-4.3Ghz when rendering at 65-70C. The only problem is that my GPU is now super noisy in this tiny case :( Not enough airflow i guess compared to my old one. I think i shouldn't have opted for a "quiet case" and instead for something with high airflow.
The specs are :
• CPU : Ryzen 9 3950X w Noctua NH-D15 Ryzen edition
• GPU : RTX 2080 Super
• G.Skill Neo 32GB 3200 MHz
• Motherboard : Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
• Case : Fractal Design Refine R6 USB-C
• PSU : Corsair AX860i - 860W PSU
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2020-01-06, 15:15:52
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R6 is tiny case :- ) ? It's the best mid-tower case on market, it has fantastic airflow, you can even look up benchmarks for it (on GamerNexus, no one else does that kind of stuff). You can put 3 fans in front (2 front one bottom front) and open up the moduvent on top (opening up both slots helps with GPU, but hurts the CPU, opening only the second one helps both). Or you can keep the front open, or take out the dust filter.

The actual problem is more related to high-clocked RTX-Super cards and fans ramping up to 2000+ RPM very easily. You can only solve this by lowering the power limit so the card stay cooler at expense of some performance. It's not airflow starved.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-turing-ray-tracing,6243-5.html

My 3950X also boosts mostly to 4.5/4.55 but that is kind of expected as it's marketed as "up to" and those are just spikes basically, for few seconds, it's not sustained boost. Some people are annoyed by this marketing but Intel now does it as well with "Velocity Boost clocks".
4.1-4.3Ghz all-core boost on other hand is more than advertised and just great.

There is one aspect to Zen architecture and that's stress on memory controller being inverse to CPU. So high-clocked memory will inadvertly take down a bit of single-core boost. It's possible to stay at lower memory frequency but with faster timings to get around this. But it all makes absolutely no difference in the end, none of it is perceptible difference in performance.

For higher performance, there are Threadrippers.
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2020-01-07, 08:33:08
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R6 is tiny case :- ) ? It's the best mid-tower case on market, it has fantastic airflow, you can even look up benchmarks for it (on GamerNexus, no one else does that kind of stuff). You can put 3 fans in front (2 front one bottom front) and open up the moduvent on top (opening up both slots helps with GPU, but hurts the CPU, opening only the second one helps both). Or you can keep the front open, or take out the dust filter.

The actual problem is more related to high-clocked RTX-Super cards and fans ramping up to 2000+ RPM very easily. You can only solve this by lowering the power limit so the card stay cooler at expense of some performance. It's not airflow starved.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-turing-ray-tracing,6243-5.html

My 3950X also boosts mostly to 4.5/4.55 but that is kind of expected as it's marketed as "up to" and those are just spikes basically, for few seconds, it's not sustained boost. Some people are annoyed by this marketing but Intel now does it as well with "Velocity Boost clocks".
4.1-4.3Ghz all-core boost on other hand is more than advertised and just great.

There is one aspect to Zen architecture and that's stress on memory controller being inverse to CPU. So high-clocked memory will inadvertly take down a bit of single-core boost. It's possible to stay at lower memory frequency but with faster timings to get around this. But it all makes absolutely no difference in the end, none of it is perceptible difference in performance.

For higher performance, there are Threadrippers.

Oh the R6 was absolutely a joy to work in! Best case for cable management.
I will get some Noctua fans and do exactly as you mentioned to see if that helps with airflow. Downclocking the GPU is a good idea, i'll tweak it once i get home.
What do you mean by " and open up the moduvent on top (opening up both slots helps with GPU, but hurts the CPU, opening only the second one helps both)"?
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2020-01-07, 08:57:00
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Fractal calls 'moduvent' (I guess it's modular venting) the top panel, it's layered feature that lets you open the top of the case to help hot air escape (or mount water cooling radiator).

But completely opening the top will take away airflow away from CPU which will loose the static pressure from front fans (it's good to remove all the cages and keep harddrives mounted in back mostly).
So a good compromise is to open up the top and mount fan only to the furthest part in back (possibly to cover the remaining holes, maybe I will take picture of how I have this done in this case in one of my builds).
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2020-01-07, 12:19:05
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maybe I will take picture of how I have this done in this case in one of my builds).
Yes please!! :D

2020-01-07, 14:46:34
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maybe I will take picture of how I have this done in this case in one of my builds).
Yes please!! :D
Also can you note which ones are intake and which ones are exhaust?
That would be much appreciated
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2020-01-07, 16:08:31
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In the end it doesn't really matter that much which ones are intake or exhaust but the platonic ideal is intake from front to back, more positive pressure (more intake fans than exhaust fans, 3vs 1, or 3vs 2..).
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2020-01-08, 10:06:48
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@Juraj, based on your recommendations I also chose some parts for a system (not built yet).
2 questions though:

a) as far as I understand it, ram speed doesn't make all that much difference between 3200 and 3600 mhz, both Cl16. 3600 would be slightly more "ideal" but in the end it doesn't really appear to differ that much, at least in rendering. Is that correct?

b) I chose a define R6 case because I also own an R5 and am very happy with it. How do you control your case fans? The R5 had a little switch on the front but the R6 doesn't. Is it temperature controlled on the board? How much worse are the shipped case fans in comparison to the noctua ones you use, in terms of noise and overall performance?
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2020-01-08, 11:44:44
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There is almost zero difference in performance after 3000 MHz, even in Corona. And also it's impossible to get more than 3200 stable if you'll go with 128GB (even 4x16=64 setup could be questionable). Those 4400(OC) numbers are for people who will run dual 8GB sticks only.

Fractal indeed get rid of those controllers, I liked them as well :- ). Now you have to either buy such module and place it inside (or into that top 5.25 slot), or control them from motherboard. These are fixed 1000 rpm 3-pin fans, but you can control those via uefi with 'DC' mode (voltage control). Works just like PWM almost.
The current fans are pretty good I would say, not sure I could quantify the difference with Noctua. The sound profile is less pleasant but they're pretty low-rpm so it's not like they will be too noisy.
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2020-01-08, 11:54:05
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Thanks Juraj, that helps :) . Will have to try it out and see how the fans perform and decide based on that. The fans of the R5 sure could be better but did the job so we'll see.
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2020-01-15, 23:41:37
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Sooo... It's finally going down on Saturday! So excited! A friend of mine will come over and help me with the build. Bit nervous though, since it will be my first ever go at something like this. Luckily he has experiene! :D

Just a quick question though, regarding thermal paste... Should I buy some, and if so what's the preferred? Or is the paste that's delivered with my CPU cooler (Noctua NH-D15 chromax black) more than good enough? I believe it's called NT-H1. Just checking to be sure :) Thanks!

2020-01-16, 09:41:04
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The ones that comes with from Noctua is perfect and very easy to use.
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2020-01-16, 09:47:01
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The ones that comes with from Noctua is perfect and very easy to use.
Awesome! All I needed to know, thanks again Juraj!

2020-01-20, 15:08:22
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So, the build is going quite well! Basically everything is more or less installed, but I have a few questions regarding cable management.

Juraj, since you posted a picture of a similar build, how did you connected the Noctua NH-D15? Dit you use the Y-splitter that came with the cooler, and plugged both of the fans via this splitter into the cpu_fan header, or did you connected one of the fans to cpu_fan, and one into cpu_opt?

Also, since our motherboard only has 2 case fan headers, how did you manage to connect 4 of your case fans?? Via 2 Y-splitters, via a fan hub,... ?

Apart from these questions all is going well! When I eventually close up my case (after this cable management stuff is done) I'll post a pic!!

2020-01-20, 16:02:08
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CPU to two ports, not Y-splitter. I think I connected case fans through Fractal PWM controller (small split board), which I don't remember if also came with C case, or my R6 previously.

Sorry for vagueness, it's been one month :- D I honestly don't remember.
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