Author Topic: what hardware? PC Built from scratch or Pricey MAC Book Pro  (Read 19368 times)

2014-04-30, 14:03:51

Player22

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. I'm just getting in to architectural visualisation and have just found corona about a week ago. I've used vray  in 3ds max for a while ,but corona is far simpler a process for getting to decent images.

I would  like to build or buy a new computer, what in your opinion is  the best way to go multi CPU's or a single unit  with very large amount of ram. Should I buy a decent video card ? I use a PC set up i3 laptop with 3 Gig ram and have a Itel duo core desktop with 4 gig ram which is DDR2 ( bit dated  I know )

I know buying a Ferrari doesn't make you a better driver,  I would just like to build or buy something  most suited to the job. I,ve looked at BOXX (not cheep in the UK )it's an investment I need to make but in what direction. While developing my skills I think  you need speed  so review  result to changes in scene settings.

your  thoughts would be greatly apprciated

thanks

2014-04-30, 14:04:56
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Ondra

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Don't buy mac and you will be fine ;)
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2014-05-01, 14:28:35
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Don't buy BOXX. They make Apple seem like the low-budget option. Horrendously over-priced.

Don't buy a laptop unless you need a portable workstation! Laptops have weaker performance and higher price, and the built-in display is usually a bit pants.

If you need a high-performance portable laptop (as opposed to luggable), the Macbook Pro is a decent but somewhat expensive option. I have a Thinkpad W520, and it's a very good machine and very inexpensive for what you get, but the screen isn't great. It's problematic for colour work. The Macbook Pros have the best displays out of all the laptops I've tried, but Dell have one with an IPS display as a build-to-order option. That should be even better, but I've never actually used it. I think it's pretty pricey though, even compared to the Apple machines.

Best value for money is building your own workstation, but that obviously requires a certain degree of computer expertise. If you are able, this is definitely the best route.

If you need a high-performance workstation for a reasonable* amount of money, you can get a Dell T7610 with dual 10-core Xeons for about £5500. That's probably currently the best multi-core workstation deal on the market right now.


*reasonable as far as high-end multi-CPU workstations go

2014-05-01, 14:48:06
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Ondra

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You can also try somebody like Destiny. He is a professional gaming streamer who also build custom rigs for his viewers: http://blog.destiny.gg/1600-streaminggaming-rig/
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2014-07-27, 14:52:50
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Don't buy mac and you will be fine ;)

Let's say I decided to use a macbook pro (with bootcamp ofc), what are cons (biggest one cpu heat problem probably) and pros? For future forum searches/threads your answer would be a good reference.

2014-07-27, 16:25:11
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Id say that is stupid, you Get lower performance, It cuts Memory and the hdd sucks afaik.

Dont go mac, just dont..
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2014-07-27, 19:32:03
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I second the NO MAC motion. Really.
I can get pretty decent results with an AMD eigth core and 8GB ram, Corona makes good use of multicore processors.
I suspect no one could get lower quality/cost ratio than that.
The graphic card is almost no use for rendering with corona and you can get a decent fps under max with the most cheapest nvidia or ATI card.
No need to waste money more that that.
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2014-07-27, 22:06:28
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i have 8350 black edition 16 gb ram, test scene time is 8,31 slower result than others
and not cheap at all, 4770 or higher cpu is better, simply dont go AMD

2014-09-02, 21:06:04
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Hi,

My offer if you lookin' something refurbished stuff from the ebay you'll be very fine...

For example I have ordered from USA my Dell Precision m4700 with half price an I got 3 years warranty with it. If I would to order this stuff from the DELL.Co.UK than tha price should be 2500 pound...From USA it was with VAT and shipping only 1200 pounds.

Great buying and I have an Quadro M2000 card in it and I dont have a problem with 12 million or more polys...16gb ram, SSD, Full Hd...etc., etc...
If you want to buy desktop workstation, then the best is same something DELL stuff.

The DELL is the best buy now.   
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2014-09-04, 02:29:00
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I'd second the Dell Secondhand/refurbished option.

When first starting out in 3D, I got a Dell Precision T5400 on Dell Outlet for 700GBP - never had a single problem with it.

Then, expanding my studio, I bought refurbished Dell Precisions (from 3rd party seller), again never had a single problem with them. The fact that they had no or shorter warranty didn't bother me as they never broke.

Also, I bought last generation equipment. It's SO much cheaper (especially refurbished) that you can afford a much higher spec.

On the equipment I bought, I would usually save 50 - 75% compared to buying the equivalent spec new. I paid 700GBP each for four rack servers, which would normally cost just under 3000GBP each new.

If you are in the UK, Mo at la-micro.co.uk is very helpful with refurbished computers (they do HP and others as well). Unfortunately I'm in the US now so I have to shop around to find a new supplier.

Anyway I saved a bunch of money going that route. I've had a couple of problems with several different Dell laptops, but I've had no problems with Dell workstations or servers at all.

caspar

PS. for price/performance, I definitely recommend PC, not mac. I have a MacBook Pro (which was expensive) but that is just to have something nice when I am on the move. I do all my real work on my Dell Precision.

2014-09-04, 02:33:51
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Sorry I'm babbling now -

The other reason I'd recommend getting a 'professional' range workstation (Dell Precision or HP's equivalent) is that they are very easy to upgrade. I have, over time, upgraded memory, CPU and graphics cards of all my machines. It means that machines I purchased years ago are still performing well, with the upgrades.

I know it's tough starting out and I hate to see someone waste their hard earned cash! Or talk to a sales rep and get 'inspired' to spend a bunch of money that you don't have on something you don't need and could get for a quarter of the price.

2014-09-04, 12:01:47
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From my experience, your best solution is built your own pc. DELL, HP and Lenovo are great workstations without doubt, but the problem starts when you need to upgrade the workstation because components are more expensive. Besides you can build a mix between workstation and gaming pc.

Even if you buy a refurbished workstation, with that money you can build a much better in a long term. I work with both and workstations are great because they are robust and they are prepared for heavy processing, but  the same can be achieved with "normal" computer, you just need some basic technical skills.

And stay away from MAC.

2014-09-04, 17:00:53
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Thats interesting!

When building your own, how do you go about it? Research which parts  you want and ensure they will work together, then buy all parts cheapest online, then whip it together?

And what brands would you recommend or avoid?

2014-09-04, 17:19:36
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buy brands you or your colleagues had good experiences in past, or just seach through online forum, be generous when buying coolers/cases, and then put it together. Takes 1-2 hours and anyone can do it.
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2014-09-04, 20:01:47
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I'd go a little far and say be generous in your PSU. A bad PSU has the potential to fry even the best components you carefully chose. Regarding brands, there's really no mystery - just avoid the obviously cheap chinese generic brands. Even manufacturers considered mainstream (like Gigabyte) make pretty decent hardware that will last long enough. Asus, Corsair, Samsung, SuperMicro, Intel, AMD, Hitachi, XFX, G.Skill, EVGA, all are pretty good brands which provide more than enough of a good support.

That's really easy to buy parts and build a PC, but if you don't have enough confidence/knowledge to do it, you can buy a Dell or Lenovo. You're just paying a little more for the same-ish performance.

2014-09-06, 12:30:37
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Personally I always build my own rigs, you get a much better price/performance ratio, right now we have the i7-5820k that is looking freaking awesome, I'm going to acquire two machines with 16Gb and without GPU for around 800€, it's going to be freaking awesome for Corona.

But if you need a lower price, the best price/performance ratio is a machine with the i7-3770K, you can get it with 16Gb of ram and without GPU for around 550€.

Both machines with closed liquid ref. system, it's cheap nowadays and great for OC the "K" processors.

The thing is that if you get the cinebench punctuation system, two 5820k get 21 points of render power more or less, meanwhile three 3770k get 23 points of render power, so from my POV, if you think in expandability, space and power consumption, the 5820k it's an awesome cpu with a good price.

The branded machines have some advantages over the custom ones, I configure and assemble machines commercially for specific needs, but what I do is configure them and assemble them if it's required by the client, but the warranty comes directly from the seller for every component, not for the entire machine, on the other hand, the branded machines come with some great case design and a good airflow because of that, while I'm limited by the price the client wants, also they give a full machine warranty, not per component, and that could be good if you prefer it.

So in the end it depends on what type of support you want and how important the price/performance ratio is for you.

The only branded machine I have is a 17" macbook pro, and that is because I needed a powerful laptop for mobility and I develop apps with Unity and native android and iOS apps, and it lasts a lot, it's pricey, but components are awesome, the metallic case is great, and the screen is awesome, and the battery is awesome also for a 17" laptop, but as I said, this is because I have some specific need that just a MBP could cover, not just because being a Mac, but because being a powerful and a long lasting machine.

Cheers.

2014-09-06, 18:17:56
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Thats interesting!

When building your own, how do you go about it? Research which parts  you want and ensure they will work together, then buy all parts cheapest online, then whip it together?

And what brands would you recommend or avoid?

I usually used hardware's forums to get help. I check the best workstations in the market and then try to match the same performance and create a gaming pc as well. PSU is very important as mentioned and always of what upgrades you can in the future. More RAM, a second graphic card or even a better CPU.

I worked with DELL and they are very robust and currently I am working with HP which is also good. There is a good website\forum with reviews of PCs for different budgets.

2014-09-08, 15:49:11
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That's cool - I'd shied away from 'build your own' machines, but from your experiences it sounds like the way to go.

Now I just need to get some money together to build some render-beasts!

2014-09-09, 20:45:11
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Maybe stupidity...but for the render why not get some older i7 ? Maybe 3-4 pcs. i7 for the background render cheeper than the newest one...Basicly just motherboard, mems, processors...and...that's all ! :D

And don't forget to buy an Quadro for the wireframes ! Q2000 more than enought...for start... ;)

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2014-09-11, 00:56:59
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There are three reasons.

First electric compsumption, it's more with more computers, newer procs equals to better power management.

Second, for the same price you get more or less the same power, check what I said in my previous post, a 3770K is an old processor, it's not even a socket 2011 processor, but with two 5820k you get aprox the same power as three 3770k

And the third one, availability, one cool option could be to get some 2600k, but it is really hard (at least here) to find those procs.

That is what I think.

Cheers!

2014-09-11, 18:54:11
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Well I think your right with the consumetions.
The last time when I looked around in the hardwear market, that was 2 years ago.  Mine Dell Precision was for me the best choice and the power management is really low. I'm mean not killing my budget at all! :D

Of course more procs more consumetion...But, you have to get idea...which is the most important.

Trust me if you want...Buy an refurbised Dell if you need an mean stuff for modeling, texturing, rendering ...and you'll be so happy ! Or...you must to tikk-takk in your mind...and you will make an mistaken with something wrong choice. It's up to only your budget...

Sorry pal, this is just my opininon.   

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2014-09-11, 19:13:09
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I used http://pcpartpicker.com/ when building my last pc,
it keeps an updated list of most market products with price/links to online stores (which you can filter by), and as you add parts to your list it shows other parts that are compatible so you don't end up buying a chip incompatible with the motherboard or something, really saved me a lot of time.

edit also no on the mac, does 3ds max even have a mac version?

2014-09-11, 20:04:33
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Mac ? Forget the max on that...For the Maya, ZBrush, CD4 and others has on the mac.
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2014-09-13, 00:18:49
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Fibonacci you can install windows natively in a mac along with OSx, so no problem with Max :)

Cheers.

2014-09-13, 12:22:27
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I think that you should go with 2x Xeon config - at the end it will be a cheaper solution than 2 or 3 separate machines with i7 CPU's. And you need a custom rig, not branded one (brands are expensive as ...).

I just bought a new machine for rendering (to refresh a bit my old render farm) -> 2x E5 2620 v2 (and there are v3 already), 32 GB ECC RAM, 512GB + 128GB SSD's, 1.3kW PSU, Supermicro motherboard (without case and GPU, I already have them) - this costs me 2k in Euro. If you add GPU - the machine is ready to be a main workstation, or without GPU - as a render node. Cheaper and faster than 2 separate i7 render nodes.
And more efficient in maintenance for hardware and software terms.

Render speed is x3 faster than my old i7 2600K custom rig.

Just my 2 cents :)