Author Topic: Strange scene behavior when material appeared in ME  (Read 3276 times)

2022-01-06, 16:37:49
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Please try uninstalling or removing the following and see if the issue persists:

Sergo Pogosyan-Scripts
TrackScripts (kstudio)
Wahooney Tools-ViewportAutoSnap
WickerFilms-EasyPivot
mmTransformTypeIn script

I tried to remove the scripts mentioned by you, all of them, except the mmTransformTypeIn script. No changes in this case, the issue still persists.

Abut the mmTransformTypeIn script - I didn't find anything concerning this script in any Max 2022 folders... But it's still working in Max. So I don't know how to remove it. Could you give me some tip how to do it, please?

2022-01-07, 11:25:59
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mmTransformTypeIn script is from http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/mmtransformtypein, please check the author links provided in script spot. In your ENU can be found as Monotone Minimal-mmTransformTypein. Please let me know if you need any more help with locating it, or if the issue still remains.

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2022-01-07, 12:02:27
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mmTransformTypeIn script is from http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/mmtransformtypein, please check the author links provided in script spot. In your ENU can be found as Monotone Minimal-mmTransformTypein. Please let me know if you need any more help with locating it, or if the issue still remains.

Thanks GeorgeK, but there is no such kind of files in my ENU folder... Actually this script was written by my request pretty long time ago :), and I can find mmTransformTypeIn.mcr in
 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\3ds Max 2014\scripts folder (I still have it installed on my computer), but there is no this file in any folders of Max 2021 and Max 2022...

2022-01-07, 13:40:46
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mmTransformTypeIn script is from http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/mmtransformtypein, please check the author links provided in script spot. In your ENU can be found as Monotone Minimal-mmTransformTypein. Please let me know if you need any more help with locating it, or if the issue still remains.

Thanks GeorgeK, but there is no such kind of files in my ENU folder... Actually this script was written by my request pretty long time ago :), and I can find mmTransformTypeIn.mcr in
 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\3ds Max 2014\scripts folder (I still have it installed on my computer), but there is no this file in any folders of Max 2021 and Max 2022...

Hi again, you can find the file on the provided ENU folder \ENU\usermacros\Monotone Minimal-mmTransformTypein, but I can't imagine this remnant can be so impactful. Hmmm, I will look bit more deeper on your UI ENU settings it's the next possible thing.

I am assuming starting over with a clear ENU is not an option.
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2022-01-07, 14:29:36
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Hi again, you can find the file on the provided ENU folder \ENU\usermacros\Monotone Minimal-mmTransformTypein, but I can't imagine this remnant can be so impactful. Hmmm, I will look bit more deeper on your UI ENU settings it's the next possible thing.


Thank you! I don't know how I didn't noticed this script there, and why 'search' didn't find it either, but you're right, it was located in ENU\usermacros folder.

I deleted it, but unfortunately with no positive news this time either...


I am assuming starting over with a clear ENU is not an option.


Actually this is what I'm going to do for Max 2022 when I have more time (maybe on this weekend), and I hope I'll find the script/pluging or maybe some interface setting which has some conflict with Corona's latest DBs. I'll let you know if I find something

2022-01-10, 08:01:07
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Please keep me posted, I will be digging through a bit more, it would be nice to identify the cause for this.
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2022-01-11, 11:23:26
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Hi again.

So I've started from new MAX 2022 ENU folder and installed most of the scripts and made UI setting from scratch. This time I didn't install some of Sergo Pogosyan's scripts, but if you remember, I tried to remove them previously and it didn't help to solve the problem.
Max still works normally, I even worked with the scene, which as I supposed has problem point, but still didn't get this issue. So no clue where this problem was hidden. I'm happy that I can continue to work with the latest Corona builds, but maybe would be wise to understand what caused this Max behavior. If you need I can send you my new ENU folder, so you can compare it with the old one.

2022-01-11, 13:56:36
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The perpetual ENU folder mystery...
FWIW, you could try to reset the UI and see if it helps, or just reset the ribbon UI - this one helps with some quirks with the UI too.

From what I understand, even people at Autodesk don't really know why the ENU folder gets mangled sometimes. Most of the people who worked on the UI and older components are either long gone or work in other teams now so they probably would need time to understand what the code does before they can attempt to fix it. Resources are scarce at Autodesk and UI problems in particular don't get enough attention as long as the 'magic potion' of deleting the ENU folder works.

2022-01-11, 20:06:57
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Hi again.

So I've started from new MAX 2022 ENU folder and installed most of the scripts and made UI setting from scratch. This time I didn't install some of Sergo Pogosyan's scripts, but if you remember, I tried to remove them previously and it didn't help to solve the problem.
Max still works normally, I even worked with the scene, which as I supposed has problem point, but still didn't get this issue. So no clue where this problem was hidden. I'm happy that I can continue to work with the latest Corona builds, but maybe would be wise to understand what caused this Max behavior. If you need I can send you my new ENU folder, so you can compare it with the old one.

Please do I am interested.
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2022-01-11, 22:03:00
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Done.
With Private uploader, file name is 1641934894_ENU-new-Max2022.rar

2022-01-13, 07:59:05
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Done.
With Private uploader, file name is 1641934894_ENU-new-Max2022.rar

Thanks again, looking into it.
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2022-03-11, 10:42:29
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Hello again!

Do you have any progress with fixing this issue? I continue to use Daily Builds and have the same issue pretty often. Replacing a broken ENU folder solves the problem, but it doesn't work for a long time.
Overall it looks like this:
Max works normally and I work on some scene. At some point I get this issue, I replace ENU folder with the one which is working fine, Max again works normally but not for a long time with the same scene. Somehow this scene breaks Max again and again.
I still didn't find any specific object/setting/material which leads to this Max behavior, but I can tell that it happens mostly during the work on exterior scenes. I would say that the main difference between components of my exterior and interior scenes is the amount of proxy objects (I use a lot of them for trees, plants, grass, stones) and the use of Forest Pack for scattering the elements of a greenery.

Would be nice to get some solution better than Replacing a broken ENU folder - it's pretty annoying and brakes the workflow

2022-03-15, 06:19:17
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Hello again!

Do you have any progress with fixing this issue? I continue to use Daily Builds and have the same issue pretty often. Replacing a broken ENU folder solves the problem, but it doesn't work for a long time.
Overall it looks like this:
Max works normally and I work on some scene. At some point I get this issue, I replace ENU folder with the one which is working fine, Max again works normally but not for a long time with the same scene. Somehow this scene breaks Max again and again.
I still didn't find any specific object/setting/material which leads to this Max behavior, but I can tell that it happens mostly during the work on exterior scenes. I would say that the main difference between components of my exterior and interior scenes is the amount of proxy objects (I use a lot of them for trees, plants, grass, stones) and the use of Forest Pack for scattering the elements of a greenery.

Would be nice to get some solution better than Replacing a broken ENU folder - it's pretty annoying and brakes the workflow

Hi Bormax, is it possible to share an archive of that scene with us?
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2022-03-16, 08:25:58
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Hi Bormax, is it possible to share an archive of that scene with us?

Hi
Yesterday morning I've updated Corona to DB Mar 11 2022 and Forest pack to 7.3.1. During the day I tried to reproduce this issue with different scenes which "were broken", but didn't succeed with that, so (fingers crossed) hope this update solved the problem. But if it will come back I'll send you the scene

2022-03-16, 08:30:26
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Hi Bormax, is it possible to share an archive of that scene with us?

Hi
Yesterday morning I've updated Corona to DB Mar 11 2022 and Forest pack to 7.3.1. During the day I tried to reproduce this issue with different scenes which "were broken", but didn't succeed with that, so (fingers crossed) hope this update solved the problem. But if it will come back I'll send you the scene

Interesting, thanks for the update I hope it's addressed but should it re-surface please let me know.
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