HELP building my new business Workstation

[Fluss]

Hi !

I'm actually looking to build me a good workstation to start as freelance and i would like to query your help. My old pc rig is aimed to be used as a spawner :

i7 2600k OCed to 4.3GHz
16 Go DDR3 1600 (4x4GO)
MSI GTX 770 2Go
2x 1To HDD
1x Samsung 840 128Go SSD

I don't have a hudge budget to build the workstation, so i was looking for cheaper ebay OEM processors. As far as i know, OEM processors are quite close to the retail versions so i'm pretty confident to use these on a daily basis. Here are the specs of the workstation i'm actually looking for :

2x e5-2683 v3 oem processors (tot. 630€)
8x crucial 8Go DDR4 2133 ( 64 Go non ECC, tot. 292€ )
1x Gigabyte G1 gaming 1070 6Go (499€)
1x Asus Z10 PA-D8 (400€)
1x Fractal design Arc midi R2 (100€)
2x Noctua NH-U12S (tot. 130€)
1x Corsair Cs-650M 650W 80+ Gold (90€)
1x Samsung 850 Evo 500Go (163€)
1x 1To HDD from my old rig (0€)

Total PC rig cost: 2304€ (VAT included)

I'm actually trying to build the best machine to work comfortably with the corona interactive mode at the cheapest price. To get an homogenous "farm", i'm thinking to upgrade the old Rig with 64GO of ram as well.

What do you think about this build ?

Are OEM processors a safe bet or should i invest in something else ?

 


 

[fabio81]

Hi,
I'm also trying to make a configuration with the same processors 2683 V3. The problem is I do not trust to take them from China. I would find them in Europe
In the meantime I made a dual xeon 2670 V1 configuration as that of juraj talcik (Cinebench score 2006 points!)

[Fluss]

I have to admit that i'm not really reassured with the idea of bying these from China...
It comes to the same thing as bying ES or QS processors, i'm not comfortable with the idea.
This the main blocker for me. Does anyone has ever tryed to buy one of these chinese OEM chips ?

[Juraj]

I built a workstation over the weekend for friend, with 2683v3. These were OEM, so basically a final stepping, retail production. No difference to the one you will buy in shop. He bought them from Netherlands. They didn't look "new" but...

OEM is far-cry from ES/QS :- ). And honestly, I am running a bunch of first-stepping ES without any issue at all. Ok, there are differences that would make me never choose ES for workstation ( turbo bins kinda suck compared to later steppings ), but for rendering node, no issue.

I was suprised how good they performed, 3400 Cinebench R15 score. Nice huh ? For the same amount of money you can buy ES chips that will give you 4500+ but... these are the regular steppings.

All in, all out, there is no reason to fear anything with any kind of cpus these days at all.

[fabio81]

tahnks Juraj!
you know any trusted ebayer for xeon 2683 V3?

thanks

[Juraj]

Regarding choices:

Why Fractal design Arc midi R2 ? I am not aware you can fit anything bigger than ATX, but maybe it fits. Odd choice.
Anyway, the ARC series is disaster compared to Define. I bought Arc XL because Define wasn't available and I regret it. Absolutely poor acoustics compared. Such a brutal difference...

LGA-2011-3 require ECC for dual-cpu configuration. It will not run without them. You need ECC memory. Ideally also, registered (not needed, unbuffered also works, but ES/QS, not the case here, can be bit more 'choosy' ), dual-rank.

Don't buy 650W for GPU and 2 cpus. Yes it will fit, but leave some margin.

Corsair Cs-650M is poor choice for the money, and does it even have two EPS 8-pin connectors ? Don't have time to check.
Buy one of the 760W Evga, it's like 10 euros more ( if you're lucky even the golden fully modular can be bought for +/- 110 euro )

tahnks Juraj!
you know any trusted ebayer for xeon 2683 V3?

thanks

My friend bought these from some obscure Netherlands warehouse. It's the same chips all the time though. All the difference the seller does, it helps you avoid 'problems' at customs.

[Fluss]

Thanks Juraj for the advices ! i'm not very familiar with server stuff..

I thought ECC was not absolutely required... I will have to check further for that.

650W would fit quite well IMHO. I tend to use properly sized PSU as:

_PSU efficiency is better near 100% 50 % load
_Futur upgrade will probably need less power than actual components (don't need multiple GPUs for now)

I like Corsair, Seasonic for the    reliability. Don't know about EVGA, i will have a look. Two 4-pins = 8-pins total ? Or do i really need 2x 8-pins EPS ?

For the case, you must be right, I was trying to lower the price, but there is not that much difference. Z10PA-D8 seems to have a fairly small form factor ( https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Servers-Workstations/Z10PAD8 ), I thought it would fit.

That one seems to be quite low-end motherboard. What do you think about it ? Should i better go with Z10PE-D8 WS ?

Edit:
Found these RAM modules :
https://www.amazon.fr/Kingston-KVR21R15D4K4-64-2133MHz-288-pin/dp/B00NLZANJO

[Juraj]

You are correct in some remarks, I have proper reading issue :- ).

You write Asus Z10 PA-D8, I just assumed you meant WS version. You're right, this one is regular ATX, will fit anywhere.

I suggested EVGA because they make the cheapest dual cpu compatible PSUs. Seasonic, and Seasonic-made Corsairs are bit more expensive. But yes, of course preferable.

Still, the Arc vs Define stands. I have 8 Define cases at home and they are utterly silent. I built the Arc with identical components and the difference is far too big. (there are even after-market silencing kits for Arc, go figure ). The only time Arc is bearable is running at <500 rpm for intake fans. Or 5V for the default Fractal 1000rpm fans the case comes with. The Define, on other hand, is still silent at 800 +/- rpm, or 7V for the default fans.

ECC wasn't really needed for previous generation, non-ECC work great on my LGA 2011-1 workstations ( 2670v1; 2680v2 ), in both single and dual-cpu configuration.
For LGA 2011-3, non-ECC only works with single-cpu configuration. Not only is this stated on the website, but, I tested it :- ).

[Fluss]

I've seen not really appealing reviews on the Z10PA-D8, i will have to check it out... Are you owning one of those ?

Some EVGA PSUs are manufactured by super flower (g2 series). Looks like they produce some good stuff. So i choose that one (10 years warranty):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017

I trust you for the case, i'll go with the Define.

These ECC RAM modules are the cheapest i've found:
https://www.amazon.fr/Kingston-KVR21R15D4K4-64-2133MHz-288-pin/dp/B00NLZANJO.

I'm not decided yet for the CPUs as I'm not very confident to buy those from Hong Kong (ebay). I'm gonna wait a bit to see if there are other opportunities in europe.

Again, thanks a lot for the help, i would have made a couple of mistakes without your advices !

[Juraj]

I own Z10PA-D16 WS, I never buy server boards, only their workstation counterparts.

[SaY]

Or you can pick up one of these and upgrade the videocard:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122131846330?ul_noapp=true
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/122131857419?

[Fluss]

Or you can pick up one of these and upgrade the videocard:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122131846330?ul_noapp=true
http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/122131857419?

that's what i planned ATM :

2x e5-2683 v3 oem processors (tot. 630€)
4x kingston 16Go DDR4 2133 ( 64 Go ECC reg, tot. 405€ )
1x Gigabyte G1 gaming 1070 6Go (499€)
1x Asus Z10PE-D16 WS (520€)
1x Fractal Design Define XL R2 Titanium Grey (150€)
2x Noctua NH-U12S (tot. 130€)
1x EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 80+ Gold (130€)
1x Samsung 850 Evo 500Go (163€)
1x 1To HDD from my old rig (0€)

Total PC rig cost: 2627€ (VAT included)

I think i'd better build it myself as it will be pretty cheaper with pristine and better quality stuff

[fabio81]

Hi Fluss,

2x e5-2683 v3 oem processors (tot. 630€), where to buy? ebay from china??

[Fluss]

Yep, 2683 v3 from Hong Kong, 315€ on ebay

[fabio81]

good luck! I do not I trusted a lot, even for customs and I preferred to buy in europe two xeon 2670V1 for 130 €
2000 point to cinebench score