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Chaos Corona for Cinema 4D => [C4D] Feature Requests => Topic started by: xis on 2021-09-11, 13:36:58

Title: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: xis on 2021-09-11, 13:36:58
WE NEED ACES CG COLOR SPACE IN CORONA RENDERER
AND CORONA CAMERA IN CINEMA 4D NEED LENS DISTORTION
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Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: artdude12 on 2021-09-11, 14:27:49
+1
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: burnin on 2021-09-11, 14:31:25
Forwarded info

This is an excerpt from "Corona for C4D EUG (Discord)" discussion on topic:

Quoting Ondra:
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ok, I watched it, there are 3 parts:

1. wider internal rendering color space
2. s-curve output transform
3. being aware of what color space you are using

#1 is in corona since 2012

#2 is also in Corona since 2010ish, just a slightly different (reinhard). We will implement more of the s-curves, including the one in aces

#3 is something that we cannot really help you with. The difference is between making sure you match all your inputs to sRGB or you match all your inputs to aces. And aces cannot be loaded by C4D/3dsmax natively, where we get our data
tl;dr you are already getting the magical, mythical advantage of ACES since 2012. We will check its s-curve to see if it is more pleasant than filmic/reinhard, but it is nothing else in principle

Finally,
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unless C4D/Max adopts it we would be fighting the host application over that.

Refered video...
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: xis on 2021-09-11, 18:51:52
actually we need to export final render in Acescg for post process, like vray, redshift and octane
how should we do this ?
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: DotDesignStudio on 2021-09-17, 08:21:01
+1 !
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: haffy on 2021-10-19, 11:28:31
+1
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Matthew86 on 2021-11-03, 17:22:10
+1
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Ondra on 2021-11-03, 18:08:09
we are running  some... experiments :D

but still unless the host application supports it, it will be very limited experience.
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: indexofrefraction on 2022-04-02, 23:55:47
will there be support for ACES in Corona 8?
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Philw on 2022-04-03, 13:43:23
Hopefully S26 will have host level integration to avoid confusion. Currently, for example, C4D and Redshift with ACES is a confusing mess.
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: indexofrefraction on 2022-04-04, 23:38:57
well... if solidangle can do it...
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: davetwo on 2022-04-05, 08:35:57
There is a lot of hype over ACES. But in reality people just want the image to look nice. Corona tonemapping already does a good job at this.
More complicated colour management workflows will simply produce problems IMHO. And likely worse/badly setup images half the time.
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Beanzvision on 2022-04-05, 12:37:55
If you want to request something, please use the dedicated ''Feature request'' thread.
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: indexofrefraction on 2022-04-05, 23:03:22
If you want to request something, please use the dedicated ''Feature request'' thread.

where is the dedicated ''Feature request'' thread ?

and.. mid 2021 it was said it is in the works,
but with "use the dedicated 'Feature request' thread" it doesn't look like ACES is coming in v8.

Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: burnin on 2022-04-06, 08:51:43
Take notes...





Best would be, if C4D gets native OCIO v2 support in upcoming version :|


Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Ondra on 2022-04-06, 11:03:40
Corona v8 can use ACES color space internally
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: ianosss on 2022-04-06, 11:46:14
So does V8 have ACES? Sorry if I misunderstand. :)
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Ondra on 2022-04-06, 13:50:01
define ACES

We currently support as much ACES as we can without hacks while being a plugin in non-ACES DCC applications
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Beanzvision on 2022-04-06, 15:11:25
If you want to request something, please use the dedicated ''Feature request'' thread.

where is the dedicated ''Feature request'' thread ?

and.. mid 2021 it was said it is in the works,
but with "use the dedicated 'Feature request' thread" it doesn't look like ACES is coming in v8.
Well, it's right here! ;)

(https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34341.0;attach=163469;image)
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: ianosss on 2022-04-06, 16:06:51
define ACES

We currently support as much ACES as we can without hacks while being a plugin in non-ACES DCC applications

Well, I'm just learning about ACES at the moment so I don't really have a great understanding at the moment. I tried it quickly in Octane and liked the results I got. So was wondering really if and how it would work in Corona.
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Ondra on 2022-04-06, 16:16:11
In that case, there is 90% chance that what we do in v8 is the "make it look nice" effect you associate with ACES, even though we cannot read ACES input assets (which you probably dont have anyways)
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: ianosss on 2022-04-06, 18:09:01
In that case, there is 90% chance that what we do in v8 is the "make it look nice" effect you associate with ACES, even though we cannot read ACES input assets (which you probably dont have anyways)

Ok thats great. Looking forward to V8. Yes thats pretty much all I want, see how it looks with my Corona renders. :) I may download the latest V8 to try. Is there any info how to apply ACES in Corona V8? Is it in the VFB tone mapping menu?
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: TomG on 2022-04-06, 18:26:23
It will be, in the next RC 4 coming out soon for C4D (out earlier today for Max); it's a single parameter with no settings, you just add it and enable it if you are loading an existing project; in new projects it will be shown in the stack by default and you won't need to add it, just enable it. Very easy, but very nice results (just the way I like things!)
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: Ondra on 2022-04-06, 19:15:53
In that case, there is 90% chance that what we do in v8 is the "make it look nice" effect you associate with ACES, even though we cannot read ACES input assets (which you probably dont have anyways)

Ok thats great. Looking forward to V8. Yes thats pretty much all I want, see how it looks with my Corona renders. :) I may download the latest V8 to try. Is there any info how to apply ACES in Corona V8? Is it in the VFB tone mapping menu?

see here: https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=35847.msg196944#msg196944
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: ianosss on 2022-04-06, 19:37:39
It will be, in the next RC 4 coming out soon for C4D (out earlier today for Max); it's a single parameter with no settings, you just add it and enable it if you are loading an existing project; in new projects it will be shown in the stack by default and you won't need to add it, just enable it. Very easy, but very nice results (just the way I like things!)

Ok great thanks for the info. I like the sound of "very easy" too. :)
Title: Re: CORONA NEED ACES COLOR SPACE (AcesCg)
Post by: fabio81 on 2022-04-08, 23:23:39
hi guys,
i was doing save tests using the ACES profile.
I found a match when saving in HDF but I would like to get the same effect when saving in EXR.
What are the right settings to log out correctly?

thanks