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Title: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nikola on 2017-12-22, 18:16:14
Hi all,

If you have not been following the development through the Daily Builds we are pleased to announce that Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 is released!

Link to the blog announcement:
https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-for-cinema-4d-beta-1-release-candidate-1-released/ (https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-for-cinema-4d-beta-1-release-candidate-1-released/)

Nikola

Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: lenogre on 2017-12-23, 09:08:05
You're Santa Claus !

Thanks
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: mitchino on 2017-12-23, 10:57:14
Material Stacking! YAY! what a wonderful christmas present, congratulations to the team.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: mitchino on 2017-12-23, 14:30:19
Been playing with material stacking, it doesn't support materials with displacement? Is that on the roadmap?

I often render labels with embosses and debosses, with foils and inks on top etc, and usually have a base material with displacement for the embossing and then I stack materials on top for the foils and inks etc.

Would be great if Corona could support that workflow.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: indexofrefraction on 2017-12-27, 14:08:57
nice, thanks to the corona team!

may 2018 bring us finally a good renderer to work with for the next years! :)

best, index
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-01-06, 23:17:48
I hope there will be dailies for the Beta 2 cycle again.
Anyway, a great result so far and an already very useful and stable renderer.

All the best,
Michael
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: berdus on 2018-01-07, 15:39:29
thank you:)

edit:
I hope node based system comes very fast. Many thanks indeed.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Dexyd on 2018-01-08, 11:44:03
thank you:)

edit:
I hope node based system comes very fast. Many thanks indeed.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-08, 15:47:06
hi guys,
the offset film x of the camera is not synchronized with the Corona, (only in the viewport render)
I attach the file to reproduce the bug.
thank you
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: HenrikH on 2018-01-09, 11:04:57
Thank you guys!
Keep up the fantastic work!
Title: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate 2
Post by: Nikola on 2018-01-09, 13:06:28
Hi all,

release candidate 2 of Corona for Cinema 4D Beta 1 is out.

Download link:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw)

Changes:
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-09, 13:43:30
hi guys,
the offset film x of the camera is not synchronized with the Corona, (only in the viewport render)
I attach the file to reproduce the bug.
thank you

Hi Nikola,

 this will be solved in the next build?
thanks

Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-09, 13:49:54
Hi Fabio and thanks for the scene! We were solving mostly crashes in the recent build, but we can look at your issue now.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-09, 13:58:57
you're right,  it was a small bug!
for the rest, great job guys! :D
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-09, 14:18:49
Ok, I just tried it and it works, kind of. The camera offset moves in the same direction as in C4D, but it's slightly off, so when the offset is high enough in C4D, it will be a bit different in Corona. Is that what you meant, Fabio?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-09, 14:34:21
the X offset is not updated during a render done in the viewport
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-09, 14:39:22
Yes, that's what I am telling you - the X offset works, but not exactly. There is some mismatch between the C4D viewport and the render. But if you change the X offset, the image in the render is offset too. It's just offset incorrectly. We will need to tweak this.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-09, 14:44:32
exactly, if you change the X axis it is offset correctly from the final rendering in the VFB while doing a render region does not match.
thanks
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: CBAS VISUAL on 2018-01-09, 15:59:22
Hi Corona Team,

I tried the last build, but unfortunately the corona proxy are broke. They render white (without texture)

Back to the 27.11.17 build !

Chears. RĂ©mi
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Rhodesy on 2018-01-09, 16:58:33
Yes Im getting that two with an old scene now not applying textures to some proxy trees. I'm using the beta 1 release from the end of last month.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: WorkFlow on 2018-01-10, 09:23:56
Yes, that's what I am telling you - the X offset works, but not exactly. There is some mismatch between the C4D viewport and the render. But if you change the X offset, the image in the render is offset too. It's just offset incorrectly. We will need to tweak this.

Could that be connected to the bug with the camera projection types?
I reported a bug (ID:0002917) a while ago that when using parallel camera projection and rendering in viewport the results are incorrect (region render and C4D's native interactive render region) but when rendered to Corona VFB or C4D's picture viewer (interactive and final) results are correct.

I also remember someone else reporting some issues with the isometric projection.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Rhodesy on 2018-01-10, 11:02:29
Regarding Team Render, on the Beta 1 release notes it says TR is just about there aside from not being able to stop by noise thresh or time. I fired it up over 4 machines the other day to try it out for a single image and found it was actually slower than using a single machine (set to 12 passes + denoise). All 4 have plenty of RAM and cores to do the job and its using a 1GB network (approx 110mb transfer speed). Granted I just used default TR chunk size in the corona settings but any time advantage was negated by the time it took to feed all the strips of data back in to the main image. The image takes about 1 hr on a 16core threadripper but it was over 1:20 when I finally stopped it with TR waiting for chunks from two nodes. I tested other scenes as well that did finish but took the same on 4 machines as on 1 machine. Perhaps I should tinker with the TR settings but I would have assumed this was a typical situation with a 1GB network. The initial load up took a few more minutes than on the local machine but that was sending assets over and its a largish scene so probably to be expected.

The rendering time stats seem to add up and the time is good when it says its finished rendering - only Im left looking at half an image and its gradually filling in like a scanline render. Any suggestions?

Also as a side note I got the wrong gamma and double LUT application issue after I adjusted the tone mapping after one of the tests had finished rendering. I couldnt get it back to its original state even with the original tone map settings.

(R18.048 + 22nd Dec build).
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nikola on 2018-01-10, 18:24:51
Hi Rob,

Thank you for the testing. Some people already reported that rendering using TR is slower than rendering on the local machine, but we are not able to reproduce the problem. I tested it again (big scene, 12 passes, 12000x7200, 3 machines and TR is ~ 3x faster than local rendering. Can you please send me console outputs from all Teamrender clients. Can you please also test whether rendering a lot of passes when 1 pass doesn't take too much time has the same (TR vs local) problem as rendering fewer passes which takes longer time?

Thank you
Nikola
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-10, 20:55:45
Just wanted to say that layered materials don't update in the latest beta. They did in the previous version. Would be nice if that could be fixed.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Rhodesy on 2018-01-11, 10:24:51
Hi Rob,

Thank you for the testing. Some people already reported that rendering using TR is slower than rendering on the local machine, but we are not able to reproduce the problem. I tested it again (big scene, 12 passes, 12000x7200, 3 machines and TR is ~ 3x faster than local rendering. Can you please send me console outputs from all Teamrender clients. Can you please also test whether rendering a lot of passes when 1 pass doesn't take too much time has the same (TR vs local) problem as rendering fewer passes which takes longer time?

Thank you
Nikola

Thanks Nikola. I will when I get a bit of time to test it hopefully later. In terms of the size the final image size was only 5K but the scene from memory is approx 2GB with assets and then the textures on top of that. So the warm up time was about 5-6 mins from memory which is fine if the rendering is quick. The time it reported to get through the number of passes was quick. The problem came with showing the output in the PV/VFB. When it said it finished rendering it only showed half the image and then to get all the chunks from the nodes to finish the image it lost any time it gained from the rendering. So in summary if the PV info is correct - the load time is probably as expected, the rendering is fast but the gathering of the chunks is really slow. As said I havent adjusted the corona TR chunk size settings. TRs own speed test is reporting 110mbs for each node so it should be able to shift over all the info. Certainly one scene had several multipass elements which might effect it?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-12, 19:57:08
- "Interactive rendering" can not zoom out to see full view, only in render...!
- Image set to Corona Bitmap... turns to black...?
- In Reflection, texture in glossiness with color mix shader, Interactive rendering shows full strength of texture even texture Mix Strength to 10% but in render its fine.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-13, 12:07:53
just try the bloom and glare under studio r19 OS X Yosemite... during rendering under corona VFB a strange blink appear during setting up the bloom and glare values... and generally VFB don't work well when setting up the value... just take a look at this video I quickly made with phone just to see you what happen...

link to wetransfer:

https://we.tl/RdbR8H2zE4
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-14, 14:34:14
the include/exclude object option for lights I think don't work at all... cinema 4d r19 studio and OS X yosemite.....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-14, 14:39:25
the include/exclude object option for lights I think don't work at all... cinema 4d r19 studio and OS X yosemite.....

In R18, OS X... its working.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-14, 16:44:02
Works also on R19(win).
Is it something specific like reflection that you're having problems with?
Also when the scene is complex with multiple lights, the bounced light still hits the excluded object and it might look as if nothing changed.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-14, 17:20:44
Works also on R19(win).
Is it something specific like reflection that you're having problems with?
Also when the scene is complex with multiple lights, the bounced light still hits the excluded object and it might look as if nothing changed.

no complex scene... only 2 light.... 1 with excluded object... but this not work....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-14, 17:22:59
strange question mark in bump channel with normal map... look at the picture and the example scene posted... cinema 4d r19 OS X yosemite...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nejc Kilar on 2018-01-15, 07:54:00
strange question mark in bump channel with normal map... look at the picture and the example scene posted... cinema 4d r19 OS X yosemite...

Your normal map appears to be super strong and it is probably creating those shading problems. Try toning it down to see if it helps :)
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-15, 09:10:50
strange question mark in bump channel with normal map... look at the picture and the example scene posted... cinema 4d r19 OS X yosemite...

Your normal map appears to be super strong and it is probably creating those shading problems. Try toning it down to see if it helps :)

i try to modify tone .. try to create again normal channel... etc.... the problem still appear... and also I don't know why the question mark appear in the bump channel...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nejc Kilar on 2018-01-15, 09:32:08
Does it happen even if your normal strength is set to something low like 1%?

The missing icon is "OK" because afaik the devs haven't fixed it yet. It works but its showing up like a missing texture right now. Don't worry about that one.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-15, 10:14:32
Does it happen even if your normal strength is set to something low like 1%?

The missing icon is "OK" because afaik the devs haven't fixed it yet. It works but its showing up like a missing texture right now. Don't worry about that one.

keeping strength like 1% does have no sense... don't you think?? after this  the same project but opened in R17 with the last alpha A6 of corona, works fine and have no problem....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nejc Kilar on 2018-01-15, 12:25:04
To be honest I think it depends on your normal map. I have normal maps where 10% means I'll see every splinter bumping out of a wood surface while with some other normal maps I need to up that amount to like 50%.

From my experience whenever I've went to high with the normal map strength I got a similar effect to yours.


edit: Man I am so sorry, I totally misread your post. You are basically asking why there is the missing texture flag there right?

Yeah, nothing to do with you or your C4D. Like I said before, its working as intended and I presume the devs will eventually make it display a proper preview / icon. The fact that it shows it as missing is not a problem.

Initially I thought you were experiencing shading errors that offset your texture / create other shading problems. That said, when I opened your file I did notice that your normal map is too strong and it creates a faceted look on the sphere. You'll probably need to tone that down.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-15, 14:10:45

Initially I thought you were experiencing shading errors that offset your texture / create other shading problems. That said, when I opened your file I did notice that your normal map is too strong and it creates a faceted look on the sphere. You'll probably need to tone that down.

i don't know if that normal create problem or not... i only know that till alpha a6 everything works fine... sphere preview and material results with normal... now i don't know if this material works fine, but like you could see in the preview the faceted sphere let me think that there is something wrong... the normal map it is ok.. work fine on the previous version of corona and also works fine with other render engine....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nejc Kilar on 2018-01-15, 14:55:41
Well I'm sorry if I am repeating myself but if the only thing that is bothering you is the "missing texture" icon then you can safely ignore it. It works.

For the facets, that happens when you have a really rough / strong normal plugged in so if you hit render in your scene you'll probably see the polygons on that sphere. That is "normal" for Corona and you'll need to adjust the strength value to an earthly value :)
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-15, 18:43:01
Well I'm sorry if I am repeating myself but if the only thing that is bothering you is the "missing texture" icon then you can safely ignore it. It works.

For the facets, that happens when you have a really rough / strong normal plugged in so if you hit render in your scene you'll probably see the polygons on that sphere. That is "normal" for Corona and you'll need to adjust the strength value to an earthly value :)

this is due at something changed from alpha a6 and the last rc1 beta 1 ? cause in the last alpha a6 it works fine... same object... same project.. same material... same normal setting... probably in the last RC1 beta 1 normal setup is changed....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-15, 19:01:36
Liquid glass bottle.... liquid object is off (traffic lights) and IR is running with glass bottle and if liquid object on (traffic lights)... C4D quits, I checked this few time and every time same. Please see if anyone else can test this and c4d quits or not....!

Thanks.

Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-01-15, 19:16:09
@ Walterfog

IMHO, your example shows "How Normal Maps should NOT be handled".

If you want stronger bump effect, use the normal texture under Corona Normal shader (as it is meant & clear the mess) then set Strength to 1000% or more (it goes pass 100% but you must input the value manually - type it in).

eg
(https://i.imgur.com/OodxMvm.jpg)
enjoy



Liquid glass bottle.... liquid object is off (traffic lights) and IR is running with glass bottle and if liquid object on (traffic lights)... C4D quits, I checked this few time and every time same. Please see if anyone else can test this and c4d quits or not....!

Thanks.

Please, stop rumbling & posting all over... rather keep your stuff together (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=18915.0), read & learn.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-16, 09:04:49
@ Walterfog

IMHO, your example shows "How Normal Maps should NOT be handled".



my example show how normal map work correctly till the last alpha A6 of corona... if  now the way to handle normal is changed, then I have to change all material with normal map....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-16, 10:01:27
The normal maps work fine. burnin and he previous posters already said everything.
A while ago, in your thread, we have "found out" (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=17406.0) that Corona uses DX maps(flip Y), but you refused to accept that things are handled differently.

I'm sorry but I made other test, with other normal map and using your method of swapping red or green or both... the result is similar but the corona normal shader don't work well for me, and the results is not equal to the one gives other engine.... the only way to obtain the exact result is using a leveled material as I posted in my scene, and not changing the normal color... OpenGL or direct X I expect that a map, work fine in any engine render...  that's my opinion...

Your expectations of how things ought to be don't matter nor will things change according to them. Just accept it and advance. Do it properly in the future and spare us and yourself the hassle. If you are too lazy to make a small change to your old materials(in case you even need them), then that's your problem.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 10:57:06
Liquid glass bottle.... liquid object is off (traffic lights) and IR is running with glass bottle and if liquid object on (traffic lights)... C4D quits, I checked this few time and every time same. Please see if anyone else can test this and c4d quits or not....!

Hi iacdxb, could we have your scene? What you are describing should not happen, so there must be something with your scene. Thank you for reporting!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 10:58:12
Please, stop rumbling & posting all over... rather keep your stuff together (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=18915.0), read & learn.

It's OK. He's actually reporting a crash!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-16, 13:16:47
Thanks Houska.
I made a small screen... may be help full for you.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxhgkf0965ejrl3/crash.mp4?dl=0

I will simplify scene file and send you, may I have your email address.
Later I will try some other scene also.

Thanks.
...

p.s.
sent....!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 13:17:21
For sending the scene, you can use our private uploader (link is in my forum signature...)
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 13:45:34
The scene you sent does not crash for me. What Corona for C4D version do you have?

Also, I noticed that the scene you sent was a little different than the one in the video. That's fine, but just make sure that the modified version also crashes on your PC!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-16, 13:57:02
Two label object, I deleted... rest is same. I tried again but same crash.
I am using b1 rc2, mac osx 10.10.5
Evening I will try some other files from home.
 
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 14:03:03
Also, would you have the _BugReport.txt file?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-16, 14:20:17
sent.

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 14:58:31
So it seems like the culprit is the noise shader in bump slot of the liquid material. We know about this issue, but cannot reproduce it, so it would great if you could help us with this. If you turn off the bump channel, does it still crash? If you change the noise shader to a texture, does it still crash? And if the crash is only present with the noise shader, could you try to tweak the parameters to find out if there's some setting of the noise shader that's causing the crash?

Thank you in advance for your time
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-16, 15:28:37
In short some tests.... (following the same process as video)
- without bump works fine.
- noise shader with texture (bitmap), crash.
- I tried with Enhanced C4D noise... crash.
- Bump in texture slot, I tired some other shaders... surface, effects... all crashes.
I think bump channel have some issue. I mean anything in bump texture slot crashes.

Thanks.
...

p.s.
if any other thing have to check... please let me know.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-16, 15:45:56
The normal maps work fine. burnin and he previous posters already said everything.
A while ago, in your thread, we have "found out" (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=17406.0) that Corona uses DX maps(flip Y), but you refused to accept that things are handled differently.

I'm sorry but I made other test, with other normal map and using your method of swapping red or green or both... the result is similar but the corona normal shader don't work well for me, and the results is not equal to the one gives other engine.... the only way to obtain the exact result is using a leveled material as I posted in my scene, and not changing the normal color... OpenGL or direct X I expect that a map, work fine in any engine render...  that's my opinion...

Your expectations of how things ought to be don't matter nor will things change according to them. Just accept it and advance. Do it properly in the future and spare us and yourself the hassle. If you are too lazy to make a small change to your old materials(in case you even need them), then that's your problem.


the case I report now i totally different from the post i've posted ago... in fact in the previous post layered normal or corona normal works fine till alpha A5... now i'm reporting that normal done with alpha A6 don't works fine with the last rc1 version ( r19 and OS X yosemite ) ... this are two different thing... if you don't know what i'm discussing and the problem I'm reporting please shut up... maybe you are to lazy to understand what I'm discussing of....
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-16, 15:58:18
https://i.imgflip.com/22s1vk.jpg
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-16, 16:01:19
hahahaha
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-16, 18:00:02
@walterfog

Yes, I do have a hard time understanding what your problem is. You're the only one with that problem.
From your last post, I'm not even sure what you mean.

So your botched workflow with normals doesn't work anymore because the normal shader works as it should?
Maybe there were changes, or maybe not? How could we find out?
Maybe one could consult the wise man on the mountain or read the patchlogs! But instead, you meander around on the forum.
Just do it properly from now on and you won't have any problems.


Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: walterfog on 2018-01-16, 18:57:14
@walterfog

Yes, I do have a hard time understanding what your problem is. You're the only one with that problem.
From your last post, I'm not even sure what you mean.

So your botched workflow with normals doesn't work anymore because the normal shader works as it should?
Maybe there were changes, or maybe not? How could we find out?
Maybe one could consult the wise man on the mountain or read the patchlogs! But instead, you meander around on the forum.
Just do it properly from now on and you won't have any problems.

even with other kind of problems I was the only one... and thanks to Nikola I solved them privately .... unfortunately I do not have any more time to waste with your useless speeches ... do not be sad if you do not understand....

 
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-16, 20:02:25
May I know which new Shaders are coming in Beta 2....?

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-17, 04:53:26
Thanks for that.

@Houska, night I checked that scene file in home workstation, same crash. It is not only noise texture issue... bump texture slot is not accepting any shader/texture, same time crash if add anything. I think you have to recheck bump channel.

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-17, 11:34:09
@Houska, night I checked that scene file in home workstation, same crash. It is not only noise texture issue... bump texture slot is not accepting any shader/texture, same time crash if add anything. I think you have to recheck bump channel.

Unfortunately, it's not anything simple, because it doesn't crash for us even if we try exactly the steps as you showed us in the video. It must be something system-specific. For example, what version of the system do you have? Our Mac user Nik here has High Sierra, but he says that from the bug report it seems like you have Sierra, so I wonder if that could be the cause...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-17, 11:48:56
I wish if I could do more help if... in any of my system runs fine with no crash.
iMac with Yosemite and Mac Pro with High Sierra... in both system its crashing.

May I ask, except bug report what else do you need to check bug why its crashing ...?

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-17, 12:50:11
First step is always to try to reproduce it on our PCs. If that's not possible, _BugReport.txt can sometimes reveal the problematic piece of code. Another option is to provide the reporter with a special assert build, which might show some errors and problems in the application logic early on. If that's unsuccessful too, we need to find at least a correlation with something that the reporter has in their system and we don't. If we cannot find that, as a last resort we can connect remotely to the client's PC, with their permission, and we can debug the issue there.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Rhodesy on 2018-01-22, 13:55:25
Is there a way to lock in the view camera in the IPR? Currently as expected if I move to a different editor cam so I can select off screen objects that are for example effecting the scenes shadows the IPR changes to that view so I cant see the effect the changes are having in the main render view.

Also I still have the problem of the IPR resetting all the tone mapping when switching between cameras..

Finally is it right that the IPR has to refresh/re-render even when just editing the tone mapping? Or is that just a current limitation?

Cheers
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Studio Heisenberg on 2018-01-22, 15:24:32
I managed to find workaround for "lock" camera, by going in for example top view and than change it to perspective...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-22, 15:52:21
If do some undo and IR is running.... IR does not update.
does anyone checked...?
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Rhodesy on 2018-01-23, 11:57:59
I managed to find workaround for "lock" camera, by going in for example top view and than change it to perspective...

Good tip - I'll give that a go.
Title: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nikola on 2018-01-23, 17:26:49
Hi all,

release candidate 3 of Corona for Cinema 4D Beta 1 is out.

Download link:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw)

Changes:
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: shane_w on 2018-01-23, 20:22:12
Thanks Nikola, I will give it a go.

Can I suggest a new locked thread for new Beta releases?  They can easily get buried in this thread and are not very obvious when they are released.

Thanks,

-Shane
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: TomG on 2018-01-23, 20:42:02
There is one already for that purpose already :) https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=15602.0 (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=15602.0)

(EDIT - just updated it as the latest release wasn't in there just yet)
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: shane_w on 2018-01-23, 20:45:15
Perfect!

Thanks,

-Shane
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-01-24, 18:10:29
Just wondering what the "external" shader is...?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-01-24, 21:40:59
Just wondering what the "external" shader is...?
^ external: originating from an outside source, a 3rd party shader, a 'plugin shader' ;)
for example: Enhance:C4D Shaders (http://www.biomekk.com/index.php?itm=1) from biomekk
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-01-24, 22:59:13
^ external: originating from an outside source, a 3rd party shader, a 'plugin shader' ;)
for example: Enhance:C4D Shaders (http://www.biomekk.com/index.php?itm=1) from biomekk
Ah ha, thanks man, I appreciate the info.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-25, 20:53:41
RC3, IR not updating of displacement max level values...!

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-26, 11:08:43
Resume file from CXR file don't work?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-26, 11:31:21
RC3, IR not updating of displacement max level values...!

Yes, this is a known limitation. Displacement in IR would take too much processing time and IR would not be interactive anymore.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Gruender on 2018-01-26, 12:50:40
RC3, IR not updating of displacement max level values...!

Yes, this is a known limitation. Displacement in IR would take too much processing time and IR would not be interactive anymore.

Does it mean there won't be an option for interactive displacement setup?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-01-26, 13:24:51
Does it mean there won't be an option for interactive displacement setup?

That's hard to tell right now. We might add it in the future, if it is requested.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-26, 14:54:25
Just wondering what the "external" shader is...?

Where is it... its not in corona shaders...?

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-26, 15:13:34
It's not a shader but a support checkbox in the first tab of coronas render settings.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-26, 16:12:54
Thanks.

Material Override also does not work with IR.

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: fabio81 on 2018-01-26, 21:43:55
Hi,
team render loads the scene into the node but remains at 0/0 passes. does it happen to you too?
Beta 1 RC3
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-27, 06:00:29
If output size is changed... IR does not update that.

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-27, 12:48:51
wow.... something weird when moving texture....!
object showing strange in IR.
stop IR and start again then shows fine.

see before and after.

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edited:
it happens with MoExtrude selection tag.
with stat to object IR works fine.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-01-27, 12:52:43
wow.... something weird when moving texture....!
object showing strange in IR.
stop IR and start again then shows fine.

see before and after.

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I'd love to see that happen with my money!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-01-28, 07:49:24
+1 :)
wow.... something weird when moving texture....!
object showing strange in IR.
stop IR and start again then shows fine.

see before and after.

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I'd love to see that happen with my money!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-28, 12:27:17
In some displacement setting.... somehow c4d quits.

Try a scene... and this object is getting out of focus, its uv mapped and texture placed, any idea why its not focused...?
I tried new camera but nothing.

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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-01-28, 18:41:45
In some displacement setting.... somehow c4d quits.

Try a scene... and this object is getting out of focus, its uv mapped and texture placed, any idea why its not focused...?
I tried new camera but nothing.

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Ok, so where's the scene, if i may...;)
... or post the file, link to it & if not allowed, simply write down specifications of the displacement texture in question...

About that blur... what size is the texture?
Have you checked 'Sampling' & 'Blur' settings on it?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-28, 19:23:10
denoised too much? accidentally set shader blur offset? please more info.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-29, 03:58:32
Here is the file.
A small job... tried to finish with corona but stuck in that. no idea where is wrong, placed new camera, new lights but something is wrong.

Thanks. 
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-01-29, 04:45:47
Here is the file.
A small job... tried to finish with corona but stuck in that. no idea where is wrong, placed new camera, new lights but something is wrong.

Thanks.

It actually renders fine and sharp here. Do you have DOF enabled in your original scene, maybe without specifying a focus object?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-29, 05:09:10
same file I gave... just deleted some object for that... then how its clear there....!
aaahhhhhh... need a deep breath I think.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-01-29, 05:54:32
Here is the file.
A small job... tried to finish with corona but stuck in that. no idea where is wrong, placed new camera, new lights but something is wrong.

Thanks.

IDK... Found nothing out of the ordinary. On win7.
Could be mac?

Moderator edit: removed the image on request from iacdxb
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-01-29, 05:59:44
Thanks guys. somehow I finished the job last night... I will try again.

Thanks.
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p.s.
@burnin, please remove the attached image. Thanks.

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Thanks Moderator.
Title: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nikola on 2018-01-29, 20:29:51
Hi all,

release candidate 4 of Corona for Cinema 4D Beta 1 is out.

Download link:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rUctswGPIeucE9JtjdQrzY3JZq67HNgw)

Changes:
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-01-29, 23:41:05
Thanks guys. somehow I finished the job last night... I will try again.

Thanks.
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p.s.
@burnin, please remove the attached image. Thanks.

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Thanks Moderator.

Apology, i was away... thank you houska.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Eddoron on 2018-01-30, 01:34:19
Yay!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: lenogre on 2018-02-01, 11:20:28
IR still doesn't like Corona lights.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-02-01, 14:01:49
IR still doesn't like Corona lights.

Could you elaborate please? The last time I asked IR, he told me he's quite fond of Corona lights...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-02-01, 21:09:41
Only bug i could get, is that with IES files & "Keep sharp pattern (fake)" ON also leaves a trace of previous lighting until IPR is restarted or one of visibility options gets checked (on/off) or "Keep sharp" is turned OFF.

IES tested are from the included pack.   

eg
(https://i.imgur.com/dYXI8Rw.jpg)

Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: lenogre on 2018-02-05, 10:13:28
Stacking materials is a huge enhancement for me but preview is bad as possible unfortunately.

For a lot of people, maybe it's a detail but for me, with some customers (exhibition stand), preview is enough.

Keep attention of this detail would be great !
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-02-05, 12:23:08
Stacking materials is a huge enhancement for me but preview is bad as possible unfortunately.

For a lot of people, maybe it's a detail but for me, with some customers (exhibition stand), preview is enough.

Keep attention of this detail would be great !

The way I get around that is unchecking the opacity channel during setup.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: lenogre on 2018-02-05, 14:07:01
I was using only color in the diffuse channel instead of the logo because it's easy to change the color of the logo.

But with Corona, if we want to see the logo in preview, we must use it in diffuse channel and in opacity channel. A little bit different workflow.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-02-05, 19:12:40
Hi,

Doing A small coin job with displacement and bumps have to use. I did some tries but not getting good results of displacement....! If there is any trick to get good result... please let me know...!

I love to use Corona in my jobs.... but afraid a bit from inside may be I will stuck...! Why not make it more powerful with current features instead off adding new features. I am pointing to Displacement material. As I discussed earlier in other posts.... this have to fix and more perfect than others render engines.

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-02-05, 19:47:48
Just out of curiosity - how much does the just release Beta 1 differ from the RC4? Any new fixes?
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-02-05, 19:58:41
Doing A small coin job with displacement and bumps have to use. I did some tries but not getting good results of displacement....! If there is any trick to get good result... please let me know..

It would be useful to know what you already got for the job.
You probably tried other settings for Displacement than what's default in the render settings?
You got a proper, custom-made and hi-resolution displacement map that's not a JPG and preferably 16 bit or more?
Is it for an animation or for a still?
And - what's currently wrong you would want to have better?

CU
Michael
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: burnin on 2018-02-05, 21:46:41
Hi,

Doing A small coin job with displacement and bumps have to use. I did some tries but not getting good results of displacement....! If there is any trick to get good result... please let me know...!

I love to use Corona in my jobs.... but afraid a bit from inside may be I will stuck...! Why not make it more powerful with current features instead off adding new features. I am pointing to Displacement material. As I discussed earlier in other posts.... this have to fix and more perfect than others render engines.

Thanks.
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As Cinemike noted above, provide substantial info.
Corona works simple and fine.

ie.
Thrown together from my own scans. All in all 1h (including render time).  Corona4d Beta1.
(https://i.imgur.com/FEY5h8K.gif)

PS/edit
metal material with pinch of occlusion & only displacement texture on a cylinder geo
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-02-05, 22:14:15
I recently did a crypto coin using displacement (which i can't share yet) but got great results lowering world size displacement down to .5 along side with a high res texture. Jaggered edges were virtually illuminated.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-02-06, 04:58:36

It would be useful to know what you already got for the job.
You probably tried other settings for Displacement than what's default in the render settings?
You got a proper, custom-made and hi-resolution displacement map that's not a JPG and preferably 16 bit or more?
Is it for an animation or for a still?
And - what's currently wrong you would want to have better?

I used screen size 0.5 with hi-res B&W texture, lines and edges was not smooth. It was still and very closeup camera view.
I saw Corona displacement tutorial... used same technique but I was not getting result which I was needed. If any special setup for that.... please would like to see that.

@burnin: I was also doing bitcoin...!

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-02-06, 05:57:32

It would be useful to know what you already got for the job.
You probably tried other settings for Displacement than what's default in the render settings?
You got a proper, custom-made and hi-resolution displacement map that's not a JPG and preferably 16 bit or more?
Is it for an animation or for a still?
And - what's currently wrong you would want to have better?

I used screen size 0.5 with hi-res B&W texture, lines and edges was not smooth. It was still and very closeup camera view.
I saw Corona displacement tutorial... used same technique but I was not getting result which I was needed. If any special setup for that.... please would like to see that.

@burnin: I was also doing bitcoin...!

Thanks.
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Sorry if I repeat myself, but most problems I have seen with displacement come from the used maps.
Your displacement map is not a JPG or something lossy, it's a TIFF or something else in a lossless format with 8 bits per channel (or better 16 or even 32)?
And the resolution was big enough to give enough information to the rendered parts of the image with your chosen render resolution? So, if you use your displacement map in the Diffuse channel everything looks smooth in the rendering (with no sampling for the texture in Diffuse to get the real deal)?

Sometimes a little smoothing (blurring) of the texture helps, but only if it is hires enough and you might lose details nevertheless, of course,
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Cinemike on 2018-02-06, 06:23:16
I might add that using Displacement on Polygon selection might lead to unwanted tearing off said selections from the rest of the model.
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Mor4us on 2018-02-06, 10:09:10
Great job and congrats to all of you developers!

Just noticed you released the Beta 1 officially yesterday.
Is the Beta 1 based on the B1-RC4 or are there any further bugfixes included?
I wasn't able to find a full changelog of the B1 since RC4 was released.

best regards!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-02-06, 10:14:20
Just out of curiosity - how much does the just release Beta 1 differ from the RC4? Any new fixes?

It doesn't differ much, there are just two simple fixes for crashes that we discovered just recently...
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-02-06, 10:22:11
Jaggered edges were virtually illuminated.

Illuminati! New World Order confirmed!
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Beanzvision on 2018-02-06, 10:25:11
Jaggered edges were virtually illuminated.

Illuminati! New World Order confirmed!

Haha oops, I'll blame autocorrect. :)
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-02-06, 10:42:20

Just noticed you released the Beta 1 officially yesterday.


That's nice but I did find that download link....!


Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: houska on 2018-02-06, 10:57:37
That's nice but I did find that download link....!

I'm assuming, you meant DIDN'T... Here you go:
https://corona-renderer.com/download
Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: iacdxb on 2018-02-06, 11:12:43
Thanks Houska, I thought its old beta1 and did not found any date.

Thanks.
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Title: Re: Corona Renderer for Cinema 4D Beta 1 Release Candidate
Post by: Nikola on 2018-02-06, 13:11:01
I am locking this thread because Beta 1 was released as stable (https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-for-cinema-4d-beta-1-released/ (https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-renderer-for-cinema-4d-beta-1-released/)). The Beta 2 daily build thread will be created in
Daily builds (https://forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?board=40.0) board when the first daily build is released.

Nikola